more good info, thanks John

I have some related data from the other sources, so I built a spreadsheet that details and compares it all, good useful data

thanks

how are you guys *physically* 'blending'?
I mean, when you add all these ingredients to a 55 gal drum, or whatever, how are you MIXING it up?
no spark, right?
so drill w/ a paint paddle is out?
so what to use? and HOW LONG do you mix it for? at what speeds?

thanks

I run a small 2-3 GPM pump [MD-10] to circulate the mix from near the bottom to the top of the barrel for an hour or so.
http://www.iwakiamerica.com/products/wmd.htm
The same pump is handy for general process transfer, it produces no sparks, and there are no seals to leak.

Here is My blend mixing and fueling station

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Originally posted by john galt:
I run a small 2-3 GPM pump [MD-10] to circulate the mix from near the bottom to the top of the barrel for an hour or so.
http://www.iwakiamerica.com/products/wmd.htm
The same pump is handy for general process transfer, it produces no sparks, and there are no seals to leak.

John,
You really mix for an hour?
Why?
No flame here just wondering if I need to mix longer.
I mix 5 min tops by sloshing a 15 gal barrel 1/2 full-ish
C.

I found it more difficult to slosh a full 200 litre drum. The pump ensures complete mixing of the 50-50 VO-ULSD.

quote:

Originally posted by john galt:
I found it more difficult to slosh a full 200 litre drum. The pump ensures complete mixing of the 50-50 VO-ULSD.

Thanks,

So, not a reaction issue more of a volume thing. See, I still have bio-d thoughts running through my head.

The Benz seems to be in constant need of fiddling. So I have turned my attention to the Libby. But, killing a $25K car is harder to take than killing a $400 car. The fuel pump on the Libby is gear driven and could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. My worry is the common rail and "cold" wvo blend. So far in limited tests, she runs and starts OK.

so
I have read through a bunch of these threads and am gathering that up to 30% RUG would probably be OK in my 81 Rabbit

thinking about a VERY simple baseline blend of 75% WVO and 25% RUG

nothing else

unheated, unmodified

any thoughts on that?

thanks

The guy "oil crusher" uses sunflower oil from his crops & crushing them for oil. He uses a hydrometer to try & get the same viscosity of dino. He didn't know about used fry oil but he said he thins his oil quite abit. I'm going to look into getting one of these hydrometers, & thin out my blend more with rug & see how it works. He gave me the specs for the meter. I thought he was using a battery tester. NOT.

yeah, but hydrometer doesn't measure viscosity, it measures specific gravity
I actually bought one based on his postings, but to get viscosity to match you'd actually need to use a viscometer
???

I wondering the same thing. I was trying to justify, in thinking the thicker the liquid, the hydrometer bulb would have a greater effort to displace liquid.(sink) Maybe I'll just stick to my timed, hole dripper.

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Originally posted by EuDeMan:
so
I have read through a bunch of these threads and am gathering that up to 30% RUG would probably be OK in my 81 Rabbit

thinking about a VERY simple baseline blend of 75% WVO and 25% RUG

nothing else

unheated, unmodified

any thoughts on that?

thanks

sure if volkswagon states that you can use up to 30% regular gasoiline then it should be safe to use, just make sure that you use regular gasoline (lower octane is better)

since veg oil is more lubricant than diesel it shouldn´t be a problem to use more than 30% but its´s pointless to gamble

I will do the same as you, use 20-25% RUG

greets

not to much RUG, the octane makes the engine shutter, I would not use more than 10% Fresh RUG, if you can find a source of stale RUG that would be better, if not K-1 is much better and add a good cetane boost, Happy veggin'

but kero is $5/gal, RUG is $3/gal (!)

any other choices? (I agree, K1 is a nice fuel - but EXPENSIVE around here)

anyone tried blending E85/WVO?? percentages?

veggedout: would you mind posting the percentages of your various additives, WHY you use them, and WHERE you get them? thanks VERY much

use find function for "stove oil"

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Originally posted by EuDeMan:

anyone tried blending E85/WVO?? percentages?

e85 doesn´t work any good in diesels not with wvo or svo it does´t even mix with diesel(it seperates almost imediately), to much octane, to hard to ignite... and so on and so fourth

gasoline works good even blended with regular diesel new fresh 20% regular gasoline 80% ULSD(the one diesel with lowest lubrication) works in the winter, inj-pump have been checked without any damage

for the winter I mix 30% stale RUG to 70% soybean WVO, I then add to that mix 1 oz to five gal of the following, AMSOIL cetane boost, diesel fuel modifier, and cold flow improver, I add 1 oz startron to 32 gal, 1 oz acetone to 10 gal and 1 oz pure gum turpentine to 1 gal = @.50 a gal total cost, I order the AMSOIL products straight from AMSOIL by the case to save on shipping useing this number 1255918, they help to increase cetane, improve cold flow properties, and keep the tank, filters and injectors clean. I add the startron to helpkeep the fuel free of growing things, I get it at the local boat yard, I also get the stale RUG at the local boat yard for free, i get the acetone at walmart and add it to help keep fats in suspention, and last I get the pure gum turp at ace true value and add it to increase the cetane some more and give the car a little extra kick, it also help thin the oil, I know this seems like a lot but I want to keep my cars running for as long as possible and since it's only costing me @ .50 a gal, I think it's well worth the little bit of extra, even if others think it's over kill, my cars run great and have had no fuel related problems since useing this fuel, I now also take this mix and put 4 gal in a five gal jug, add a gal of K-1 and mix well, then add to house, for month now, no problems, runs the same and have checked the flu while running and see no, I mean NO smoke at all, HTH and happy veggin'

thanks veggedout, very useful info
did you make this up ourself, or get these ideas from other people/places? (just curious)
thanks again

calling local boatyards for stale RUG
no luck so far, but a guys offered me 20 gal of sugar-contaminated RUG (divorce fallout - he/she got POed and emptied a 5 lb bag of sugar into the tank)

any idea if I could remove the sugar somehow? water wash? or would this be better candidate to run through the boiler?

thanks

some on my own and some from reading and asking lots of questions, as for the sweet gas, I think the disolved sugar should weigh much more than the gas and sink to the bottom, so if you took just the top 2/3 you should be alright, keep calling or even better, I find to talk to someone in person and use the word recycle, that smoetimes can sprark some intrest, good luck and happy veggin', by the way, you got that van back on the road yet?