Today when I got home I had a really nice surprise waiting for me.

STAINLESS STEEL MISTERS!!!!
WAHOO!!!!

These are the same style as the brass MistPro's I've been carrying. When I first ordered they didn't have any stainless steel one's so I quickly had them get the order going (it took 6 weeks) & bought out every brass one they had.

Well, I'm just continually amazed at how well these things are doing and now I've got em in the ultimate metal for biodiesel. STAINLESS STEEL BABY!!!

No pictures of them yet, they're the same as the other's only in stainless.

Here's what they look like, only they're now Stainless Steel.



OK, yeah, I'm excited about them. I admit it I'm a biodiesel geek. I get excited over cool new toys.

Here's the link to them:
http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/washingsupplies.php#mistpro

-Graydon
Bringing You Cool, New Biodiesel Toy's on a regular basis

Don't ya just love it when a plan comes together ?
Of course you realize that these little gizmos are going to revolutionise the way people wash thier biodiesel eh?
And just how long you figure it'll take for the info to end up on the Japanese site as a "new method pioneered right here by our technicians" ? Hey, it happened with e lawn sprinkler thing. I t happened also with the two tank thing for cold weather B100 use. I just figured I'd make a public spectacle of it first...
Back to the show; they certainly do cut down wash times ALOT ! Allowing extra settling time as opposed to lengthening the wash times works well with my set up and my schedule.
I washed three times on Saturday but haven't had a chance to get back to the brew, but tomorow I am going. I re-did the "mistake" of leaving the sprayer on for several minutes again just to see what would happen.
I am hoping for a repeat of last time of having clear bio on top of murky water that shakes out no more soaps.
Graydon;
You have a go with any M-187's (120 degree full cone sprayer) yet ? I am very happy with mine.
Your pricing is fair too . You don't want to know what mine cost on this side of the great divide, and I did it twice, ha! Anyway, now I have a spare 90 degree full cone sprayer (stainless, of course) that will surely find a reason for existance eventually.

Yeah, I agree.
I can't wait to watch em hit JTF. That'll be too hilarious.

I've got one of the M-187's. It's just not made it's way to a hose nozzle yet to play with. I got one in Poly too to mess around with.

I've gotta get em over to my research guy. He's got 4 wash tanks & is pumping through a good 150 Gal of Bio a week so he's the perfect candidate to really "put these things through the ringer".

That M-187 sure is neat looking though!
Nice & shiny....makes me drool.

-Graydon
In Need of a '12 Step Recovery Plan' from being a Biodiesel Junkie.

I totally agree on cutting down on wash time too. These bad boy's are incredible! They flat out toast an Arizona Mist Kit by about 2 1/2 hours.

Man, and the cone mist on them is a sight to behold.

-Graydon
The Biodiesel Junkie

"-Graydon
In Need of a '12 Step Recovery Plan' from being a Biodiesel Junkie."

You could get into ethanol ... A little ethanol, twice as much orange juice . It ain't broke, don't fix it.

I have a fairly decent pic of the M-187 in action near the bottom of my webpage. Don't know if it really does it justice though. The misters would be about the same but much finer I would immagine.
Have "your guy at the place with the thing" ( <-that's Soprano lingo for the uninitiated ) Tru this;
Set up one Stainless Steel Super Mister (gotta call it something) and put it through it's paces. Settle. Now change the head for the M-187 and let 'er rip for a full minute or so.Settle overnight (or a few hours,whichever comes first :-) )
The only detrimental factor that is possible, other than an incomplete reaction, is glycerine in the wash cycle. No glycerine, no problem, have at it.
You could even set up the two on one string using a length of pipe with two T's back to back and a couple ball valves controlling each one of the heads so that swapping wouldn't even be necessary.Just open one and then later open the other.
By the time JtF "discovers" this it will be sufficiently time-stamped here so that it will be impossible to deny it's origins, and there is no way that The Cult Leader is going to credit us with anything he and his lot are destined to stay behind ... again. Oh well.

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Originally posted by Legal Eagle:
By the time JtF "discovers" this it will be sufficiently time-stamped here so that it will be impossible to deny it's origins, and there is no way that The Cult Leader is going to credit us with anything he and his lot are destined to stay behind ... again. Oh well.

ROTFLMAO!!!
True, so true...

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Have "your guy at the place with the thing" ( <-that's Soprano lingo for the uninitiated ) Tru this;

Ieesah will haveh muya guya testa da ting out wit lotsa cahr..you knows whut I means?

Translation:
I will take the Stainless Steel Super Mister and put it up against the Stainless Steel Turbo Powered Mister (gotta call the M-187 something cool too) in that fashion. I think that'd rock!

(and he'd love to try it too....he get's free toy's out of it so he's ALWAYS up for new stuff).

-Graydon
Owner of the Stunning Stainless Steel Super Duper Turbo Powered Mister.

What the hell is a M-187?

The M-187 is a Stainless Steel industrial 120 degree full cone sprayer head that graydon will be stocking soon I am sure.
What it does is cause the spray to come out in a filled in cone instead of just an umbrella type spray. Applied to a 200 liter drum it covers the entire surface when hung in the center. It can be fitted with regular NTP plumbing and can also be ordered with British pipe specs instead of the NPT (for those across the pond).
They're not $2 cheapies but you will only be having to pay for it once, being stainless and of industrial quality. The same manufacturer makes fire extinguishing spray heads for chemical and other nasty substances like propane storage fascilities ect. It's a top rated professional tool, and a definite step up for those doing water washing.
I will repeat it until I feel it is no longer necessary; all glycerine should be eliminated from the wash cycle. IMO this is best achieved using a StandPipe settling tank, be it the reactor set up this way or a seperate unit in order to get at the BD leaving the glycerine behind.
As a side benefit of using a seperate settling tank is that a good deal of the methanol can be vented before it gets into the wash tank. When I enter the reactor house I first open the vent on the settling tank. Any static methanol fumes are then sucked out the vent. I will do this a few times.When I transfer the BD over for washing it is uncommon that there is methanol fumes accompanying the transfer, although I cap the tank for the first wash in case anyway.The first wash takes about 2 minutes, just enough to get sufficient water on the biodiesel so that it will drag out a good deal of the residuals on the way down. After that it is a matter of minutes per wash, not hours or days.
I do have complete reactions, and I don't have glycerine in the wash cycle to cause emulsions, so washing is always non eventful (the way it should be IMO).The last two washes I did I left the sprayer on for 20 minutes until I got a coffee-cream looking bio. The first time I did that it was a "mistake" (I forgot it), but the second I did on purpose after I saw the result of the first one; nice, clear and washed bio.

And for those who really want to "play" the same people make a square full cone spray head too.Take one 1,000 liter tote. Decapitate the poor thing. Hang a square pattern full cone sprayer over the middle of it and voila! it will cover the whole surface, even at close proximity like that.
Yup, it really comes out in a square pattern and is available in 120 degree (fans out quite wide) too.

Legal:

I've been unable to locate the M-187 on the BETE website.

Can you tell us the droplet sizes and flow rates at various pressures?

Thanks

Tony,

It's a style of misting apparatus they sell.
I think it's buried down there somewhere on their site.

Everyone Else,
I just placed an order for a bunch of the M-187's in 316 Stainless Steel (oh yeah, Stainless Steel baby!!!) As soon as they get in I'll put em up on my site.

I've gotta run the #'s on what the price for them will be but I'm thinking it'll be somewhere near $50-$60. (As Legal said, they aren't cheap. Spendy things, but definately a nice addition to your equipment)

They're ordered & on their way....

-Graydon

Yep, I just got mine a few days ago and just Love it. It works better than anything we have ever tried. I highly recommend it! I plan on ordering another one since I just built my second wash tank.

I just got off the phone w/ them again.

Found out some interesting information:
The misting one (MistPro) I sell are all tested to ensure that they spray in the proper angle before they let any of them out the door.

They "Tune" the pins to the correct spray pattern.

He said that for misting biodiesel the droplet size in the one I carry is the sweet spot for not too big of a droplet size & not too small for misting. Once you move up from there or down from there in size, you sacrifice something one way or the other (ie. too small of a droplet creates too low of a pressure, too big of a droplet aggravates emulsions).

He said that: "It's the finest droplet size obtainable in a low pressure nozzle"

The guy's been really interested in biodiesel too & has been following it fairly closely.

He wondered why I ordered the MP-187 & thought it was pretty cool. Legal, he said that for what you're using it for, it's absolutely dead on. The right size & everything.

Said that it gives enough of a forceful spray but doesn't create a "fog".

The guy's so interested in bio that they're going to have a rep stop by my place next month to see what we do. Should be cool!

-Graydon
The Biodiesel Toy Geek

Are they designed for home water pressure (60-120 psi)? They will work without a regulator?

MP-187 is rated from 3-80 PSI.

Flow rates are from 2.6-12.3 l/min.
PSI Flow Size
03 2.6 397
10 4.6 277
15 5.6 246
20 6.4 225
30 7.8 199
40 8.9 183
50 9.9 171
70 11.6 N/A

flow is in l/m, droplet size is in micrometers

These flow rates are far too high for my use. The well produces about 5 l/min. I only have about a 100 liter reserve in the storage tanks. This must be shared with the house. I'd need something along the lines of 1 l/min or less.

Currently, I bubble-wash. 4 X 24 liters of water with the last wash re-cycled as the first wash for the next batch. Wash batches are 100 liters of BD.

OK, pressure-weary recruits, this is the thing (with the guy at the place who should not forget to bring the cleaner).
I run mine with a utility ShurFlo pump, 115V version.To control the flow strength for the first couple washes I have a feed tube attached to the same pump cominng from the sttling tank to move the bio over for washing. The whole thing is connected by a series of garden hose Y fittings with independent mini ball valves, so I leave the one ofr the sprayer on full and then open the feed tube one to control the strength of the flow.You can get it to where it almost dribbles out but maintains the full cone configuration.
Using tap water shouldn't present a problem, either; just don't open the tal full on, that's all. All you need is for the full cone to form. You can let 'er rip later, just for fun if you want, but initially control the flow by closing the tap until you gate the desired cone shape.

Graydon;
"He wondered why I ordered the MP-187 & thought it was pretty cool. Legal, he said that for what you're using it for, it's absolutely dead on. The right size & everything." - je suis blushing.
Glad to see that they tweaked those misters for ya.Like I said at the very beginning; these guys are pros, they make top rated industrial equipment that cannot be allowed to fail as they serve protective duty on explosive liquids and gases in many applications. The initial pricing that you gave is about right compared to what I paid here. They are prompt and you get exactly what you ordered, not a substitute.IMO, these are very hard to beat quality-wise and performance-wise as well.
For those familiar with cooking stuff; these compare to buying Creuset, enamel covered cast iron cookware. It costs, but it is guarenteed for 110 years too; IE: it isn't about to wear out. You can buy cheap junk and live the frustration of continual replacement (not to mention contamination when it disintegrates into your fuel) or you can put out a few bucks and be done with it forever. You buy these things once.

You buy these things once

Yep. Ditto on what Legal said. These guy's are "The real thing". They're pro's at spec'ing this sort of stuff out.

The guy that spec'd it out for me is REALLY interested in biodiesel and they're really interested in seeing how they can fit in.

Like Legal said, these guy's make stuff that ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT FAIL!

They've got this really cool picture of a propane tank station on fire with their nozzles spraying the propane tank & keeping it from exploding. The picture is just amazing!

Check it out!


They're really picky in their manufacturing process. The guy said that the MistPro's that I carry are "tuned" to the right mist angle. Something like 1 in 100 meets their criteria. They're like the Lexus of nozzles.

It's kind of cool. They're so interested in Biodiesel that they're sending one of their reps out to visit me near the end of August.

He's coming out just to see what Biodiesel is all about & also so that they can keep on top of the needs we may have. They're THAT into making their products meet the needs of their customers.

It's been fun to talk to my customers that've bought these things. Usually the conversation goes something like this.

"So, that little nozzle there can really outdo a misting kit?" "Yep, it'll smoke it!" "So how many do I need for a 55 gallon drum?" "Just one" "Nah....yer lyin" "Seriously! Just one!"
"Well, I don't believe you, but lemme try one" "OK".

About 3 weeks later. Usually in an email from the same customer.

"Holy Crap! Where did you find those things? Those are the best damn misters I've ever found! I've gone through every mister out there with no success but this thing is just incredible!" "Told ya!" "Yeah, I know, and I didn't believe you, but man, they're INCREDIBLE!" "Yep. I like em!" "Can you send me another one?" "Sure!"

Seriously. Email after email goes just like that. I even had a biodiesel processor equipment manufacturer buy one as a test and the email I got back from him was amazing. "Where in the world did you find these things? We've tried every fire nozzle known to man and I mean ALL of them! This one just blew them all away!"

That's what you get when you deal w/ this company guys & gals. They're THAT committed to putting out good stuff. I'm just thrilled to have found them.

-Graydon
Still amazed at how well the MistPro's do.

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Originally posted by Old300D:
Are they designed for home water pressure (60-120 psi)? They will work without a regulator?

The MistPro's are. That's what we've tested them on. Just good ole ordinary tap water.

-Graydon

I am also using the stainless misters and have relativly low pressure and these things work great, The first wash removed way more soap than previous solutions I have tried and with less water consumption as well.

Greaseburger

What advantage does SST have over brass for a mister? I suppose the bent over doo hickey would be harder to bend if banged.

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Originally posted by Raften:
What advantage does SST have over brass for a mister? I suppose the bent over doo hickey would be harder to bend if banged.

Stainless will not wear as much. Water can be very abrasive at high pressure. Ever seen the Grand Canyon?