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I found this site about the twin screw supercharger:

http://www.coloradocobras.com/whipple/about-whipple/whipple-twin-screw.html

and how their bloweris more eficient than Roots or centrifugal blowers.

It occurred to me to also add this device "running backward" to an engine to act as a non-turbo turbocompounder to extract evergu from the exhaust stream.

Then it occurred to me...do away with the reciprocating piston engine altogether; just bolt the blower to the compounder with a combustor in between: a true rotary engine, not a diesel, not a gas turbine, but elements of both.

On another board they said this would not generate enough of a compression ratio to work effectively as a stand alone engine, nor does the compounder have a surface area the pressurized exhaust can "push against".

What do you say?

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Registered: 24 June 2002Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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It'll work, but efficiency's will be very poor. My thesis project was a "gas turbine" using Roots blowers as both compressor and turbine section. The Whipple screw compressor will work the same way. Compression ratios over 4:1 are a problem due to leakage, and figuring a way to cool it is a problem (I pumped cooling oil through the rotors). Mine reached 6% thermal efficiency; about the same as the earliest jet engines. I was thrilled.
Basically any airpump can be turned into a motor of some kind. They all have problems with heat losses, leakage, high pressures stresses, cooling, thermal expansion differences, combustion problems, etc...
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Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA | Registered: 15 August 2001Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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What type of efficiency do you get with the verious turbocharger jet engine designes. There are several diferent "jet engine" concepts on ebay, one has a short video clip of a turbo running as a jet engine. This is not a pulse jet but an actual continuous burn turbin. Supposidly the military used this concept on aircraft ground power units. Ebay add's indicate up to 350 pounds thrust depending on the size of the turbocharger.


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As of 8-01-05 I have been testing a 75% WVO/15% gasahol (90% RUG/10% ethanol)/10% diesel blend. Works fine down to about 65 f then starts rough. Runs ok once engine warms up. Back to a 50/50 diesel blend sence 9-15-05, just to cool now. -- 11-01-05 Modified stock fuel tank internal fuel pickup to have I.D. of 3/8 inch, this eliminated cold start slow idle and bogg on acceleration. Now adding 1 ounce each of acetone and pure gum spirits of turpentine to each 5 gallons of any blend, seems to help keep the fats in solution to a lower temperature --Heated 2nd tank in the works
 
Location: fisher,illinois,usa | Registered: 03 June 2003Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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The thermal efficiency is absically a function of the compression ratio (or for a turbine - pressure ratio) of the engine.

The tighter the air gets squeezed before combustion, the higher the efficiency.

In thermodynamics, it's known as a brayton cycle engine, and closely related to Ericsson cycle engines. Get a good thermodynamics book at the library, or do some web searching, and I'm sure that will explain the thermodynamics.

The area on the outlet of the whipplecharger has to be bigger than zero - it still has to push the air out. The pressure ratio is a function of combustion temperature, and the relative flow rates of the blower on the inlet and the outlet.

So... I agree with Johno - it could be made to work, but efficiency will probably be in the tank.

Search "gas turbine" on e-bay. There's usually fun stuff there that works along the same lines - sometimes pretty cheap.
 
Location: Saginaw, MI, USA | Registered: 30 January 2002Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I've built some piston compressor / expander engines... IC Ericsson cycle is what I call it here's link to some pictures if anyone is interested...
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/HotAirEngineSociety/photos/browse/b2c3


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