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Hi I am new to this and glad I sighned up.I bought a cheap secondhand proceesor at the weekend a steal drum with 3 kw heater element and a clarke re circulating pump on top(similar to yorkshire green fuels system on the web.
I am in process of getting all the used veg oil from from my local restaurant I am very friendly with the properitor and no problems, will be getting over 100 litre per week if I want.
I run 2 vehicles an old postman pat van 1.9 peugeot diesel engine non turbo LDV 2001, I have this as a dog carrier as I have 2 dogs and is handy for house renovations etc,also a 2008 nissan x trial commercial with the renault/ nissan 2.0 litre diesel block in her, a nice motor but at €78 a fill it's starting to hurt my bussiness!!Go through a tank and half a week.
So will these vehicles run on 100% or will it be a % mix, Athlone nissan have said dont use bio at all and I have been looking into the smart veg 2 tank system elite 33 advertised on there site.
Has anyone any advice on how these engines will perform on my hmade bio.
I am just sourcing the methanol now I hope to produce a steel drum each week around 100 litres so any help/advice would be greatly received I am near Frenchpark,Roscommon and like everyone not very busy at present!!
Also I have a kerosene house heating system, whats mods would need to be done to the heat pac out side for me to run on bio diesel, I have done the figurs in our house this morning on the costs using kerosene and diesel
My X Trial=€4800 a year in fossil
My Wife Ford Fusion TDCI=€1500
Kerosene heating oil=€2200
Total cost=€8500 a year, the duty Brian Lenihan gets sickens me!!!!!
Also do you have to register and inform reveune or if you get dipped do you say bio diesel bought from a local filling station....
Many thanks and this site puts a smile on my face...
Any help received warmly....
Gary


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Location: Co Roscommon | Registered: May 30, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi Gary,
Welcome to the forum. The only vehicle of yours Im familiar with is the 1.9 peugeot van. I had a Rover 216sd which had the same engine and it ran perfectly for 2 years on biodiesel.
Check out www.dieselbob.co.uk for information on suitability of various engines on biodiesel or veg oil.
I run demonstrations of making biodiesel every couple of weeks, they are free and you would be welcome to come along. Only problem is Im about 4 hours from you.
I dont know very much about running cars on wvo but there is lots of info on the wvo section of this site.
If you have a burner made by Riello on your heating boiler you can buy a biodiesel kit, which when fitted will enable your burner to run reliably on B100. Most other burners can be adjusted to run on biodiesel but will quickly develop problems including nozzle drip, leaky seals and failed starts. If your burner isnt a Riello they are easy to pick up second hand. The Riello 40 series is a really bulletproof burner and ideal for biodiesel. The kit comes with installation manual in Italian but I got a friend to translate it for me if you need it.

Skoda Felicia 1.9d estate
Skoda Felicia 1.9d hatchback
Both on B100

Alaska burner central heating on 100% yellow grease.
 
Location: Lismore Ireland | Registered: November 25, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Looking at the dieselbob site it would seem that the nissan and the ford are not ideal candidates for running on B100. Better to use a blend, maybe 50%, to be safe.
In my experience if your car has a Diesel particulate filter ,Common rail injection or "drive by wire" injection dont use any biodiesel at all.
If a car is not suitable for biodiesel then it definitely is not a candidate for a veg oil conversion.

Skoda Felicia 1.9d estate
Skoda Felicia 1.9d hatchback
Both on B100

Alaska burner central heating on 100% yellow grease.
 
Location: Lismore Ireland | Registered: November 25, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by imakebiodiesel:
Looking at the dieselbob site it would seem that the nissan and the ford are not ideal candidates for running on B100. Better to use a blend, maybe 50%, to be safe.
In my experience if your car has a Diesel particulate filter ,Common rail injection or "drive by wire" injection dont use any biodiesel at all.
If a car is not suitable for biodiesel then it definitely is not a candidate for a veg oil conversion.

Skoda Felicia 1.9d estate
Skoda Felicia 1.9d hatchback
Both on B100

Alaska burner central heating on 100% yellow grease.
Not running biodiesel in a DPF equipped vehicle I understand, but I know of no fundamental issues with B100 in commonrail or DBW injection systems. I run B100 in a Jeep Liberty (Cherokee to you) with a 2.8l VM and Bosch commonrail diesel injection, as well as B100 in a VW 1.9l ALH. And both of these vehicles are drive-by-wire as well. I've put nearly 100k miles on these vehicles using various blends and B100 with no issues, and I know of others with similar experiences.


'05 CRD B100
'01 TDi B100

 
Location: Colorado | Registered: March 20, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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My reservations about common rail and dbw systems are because of their low tolerance of contaminated or poorly converted fuel. Both these systems are particularly sensitive to water in the fuel and this is a problem that even experienced biodieselers have here in our wet climate.
The person I was advising was a newbie who has not yet made any biodiesel and to be on the safe side I was suggesting he use his first few batches in his mid nineties peugeot van and his heating system.
Also his Nissan Xtrail is under warranty and if he uses biodiesel his dealer will almost certainly use that as an excuse to void the warranty.
The reason you havnt had any problems is that you obviously make high quality fuel but the same cant be said for everyone, especially beginners

Skoda Felicia 1.9d estate
Skoda Felicia 1.9d hatchback
Both on B100

Alaska burner central heating system on 100% yellow grease.
 
Location: Lismore Ireland | Registered: November 25, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Then make good fuel! Smile

B100 is lower in particulate emmissions so I still don't understand the DPF issue.
 
Location: CO, CA, KS, or FL | Registered: January 17, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post



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Absolutely, making good fuel is what this is all about. I believe that home brewers, with due care and attention can make better fuel than many commercial producers. But lets face it beginners do make mistakes and an old Peugeot engine with a virtually indestructible injection pump is more suited to sub standard fuel than a brand new Nissan Xtrail still under warranty.

The DPF issue is not connected to the quality or otherwise of biodiesel. An engine equipped with a DPF is programmed to inject a small quantity of fuel into the cylinder head during the exhaust cycle. This fuel does not burn but instead boils into a vapour and is carried out with the exhaust to clean the filter element in the DPF. Biodiesel, with its higher boiling point will not vaporize completely in this situation and instead wets the cylinder walls and makes its way past the piston rings into the oil sump. The oil quickly becomes diluted causing accelerated wear on the engine.
I notice that several remapping companies will reprogramme a system to disable the DPF. This would mean you could remove the filter but Im not sure how that would affect emissions testing, warranties etc.

Skoda Felicia 1.9d estate
Skoda Felicia 1.9d hatchback
Both on B100

Alaska burner central heating system on 100% yellow grease.
 
Location: Lismore Ireland | Registered: November 25, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Interesting. Do you know of any published studdies on this?
 
Location: CO, CA, KS, or FL | Registered: January 17, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I dont know of any official studies but there are several posts from experienced diesel engine specialists on this forum that you can search for.
If you are in the uk talk to www.dieselbob.co.uk , they know a lot about running diesel cars on biodiesel and veg oil.
 
Location: Lismore Ireland | Registered: November 25, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi..can i run biodiesel on rover?or do I need some Rover Parts to upgrade?I dont know about biodiesel and my dad is planning to have this one. Its a 1996 p38.thanks in advance.
 
Registered: June 30, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi, I dont know that particular model but any diesel engine from the mid nineties is probably going to be ok. It might have a lucas injection pump, if so use B50 to take some of the strain off the pump. There is no modification needed.
 
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