Anyone building their own collection containers?
This is the route I'm looking to go. Turning out to be more involved than I first thought. By far the most expensive part is the steel. Need to buy in bulk to get the price down. Local steel place can't go as low as I want, so I'm currently trying to get quotes from china. What a chore. I send a message with exactly what I want and then they quote me for something else. Totally insane...every company has done this and I have yet to one quote for what I want.
Need to come up with a design that uses the least amount of steel and welds as possible, so it costs the least and is functional and theft deterrent. Also need to figure out how best to lay it out, so when any parts are cut, you have the least amount of unusable steel left over from the sheet.
How many parts can be bent instead of welded to reduce cost/time and finding shop that will bend at cost effective price. I'm looking to build using 11 gauge sheet and equipment to bend is real expensive, so not viable as a start up cost.
Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, just curious if anyone else is doing this and saved a decent amount of money per container VS buying.
I'm also curious how the IRS looks at this. If I purchased the containers, I assume they would want them to be depreciated over X years. But if I'm buying raw materials and paying labor to build, I would think it should be 100% write off in existing year.
I'm not sure about the IRS issue. I looked into collection containers myself but I think I am in a different situation since I am collecting from only 10 or so places and I am not doing it professionally.
I found professional containers on flee-Bay for a very reasonable $350-400 depending on size. I didn't want that much in them but I thought the price was fair for the containers if I was going Pro...
I decided to use 55 gallon open top drums with the lockable lids made by Arbor Fab. You can find his stuff on his website and on eBay under the screen name chads454. I am not affiliated with him, but I can tell you that ANYTHING he makes is TOP NOTCH! You won't find a better product anywhere. I have many of his locking drum lids and several 55 gallon drum stainless filter. His stuff is bulletproof solid. You can't go wrong.
With his lids I have about $180 in each container, after shipping, and that includes the $20 per drum that I paid for 'nearly new' drums off Craigslist.
I like that I can drop it off and pick it up if needed without a lift-gate or other expensive equipment. I also like that my restaurant owners LOVE them. They are easy to use and easy to keep clean.
Again, if you are going pro I would invest in the pre-made oil collection containers and save the time and hassle. I'm sure you would rather spend the time elsewhere than deal with Chinese product "specialists"!
good advice above from GotD
IMO ,your design resources and Dollars
would be better spent elsewhere.
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A lot of steel comes from China anyway. Just looking to cut out the middle men.
I'm going to do a 55 gallon drum also. Those will be simple and cheap to make.
You might want to think about making your own top. I'm buying sealed top drums and Welding a 2" black pipe to the 2" bung hole and welding tabs to a cap and pipe, so it can be locked. Then just going to weld basin with a lid to to top of drum lid and drill holes so oil can be poured in.
I don't weld just found a couple guys off craigslist that do it at reasonable price. Got a young buck welder that is certified in mig/tig that will work for $9/hr, just have to supply the welder and supplies. So anyone can do this and for less than the cost of buying pre made lid.
I just don't see it that way. As long as I can get the steel at a decent price, then I will save a bunch of money in the long run.
Unless you mean just do the 55 gallon drums? That I can understand. But I have to have containers as well. Plus they are built with thicker steel and more theft proof. But I will focus more on the 55 gallon drums at first since they are cheaper to do.
Are you starting an oil collection company or just collecting oil for personal use? If you are starting a business I agree that you need solid well built containers. For personal use the 55 gallon drum is tough to beat.
Honestly, a big rendering company local here uses both. They have the large containers at the restaurants that use tons of oil, and they drop 55 gallon drums at the smaller places. No fancy lids on the drums, just the lid sitting loose on top.
Starting collection company.
So containers are a must. But to keep costs down at the beginning I would ideally like to drop lower cost drums. Which you can easily market why using drums in the beginning is advantageous, by focusing on the unique positive reasons for doing it.
I will also provide at no cost a grease cart, which is a $300-$500 value (which I think is a total rip off) which I'm sure not all companies do.
One other thing on drums. Run an ad on craigslist for them. I hooked up with an olive oil company that sells me all their drums for $5 each. They expect to have 30-40 per month. All like new / one time use. I also found a car dealership that just wants them hauled away for free.
Diablo, we got away from barrels altogether. here's why. the clowns that dump the oil can't pick a bucket of oil up that high and hold it long enough not to spill it. It's not their fault, they played playstation for a living before this. we started making our own tanks. the commercial built ones are nice, but again too high. We have a pretty good shop and good fab skills, but we are cheap, so we based ours on propane tanks. the main part of the tank is a 120 gallon horizontal propane tank. these can be had for scrap price for 75 to 100 bucks. sometimes less. for lids we use the older style lids off these same tanks. to make the acess hole to pour into, we have been using a 6" tall slice off of a 100 pound size propane tank, so one of those tanks will make about 8 or so risers. if you are using a salvaged lid, you have to cut a little out of the slice and reweld the seam so it will fit inside the lid of choice. then the riser is fitted to the tank saddle fashion. before that gets welded to the tank, I cut the hole and leave a little bit inside the riser so you have something to fix expanded metal to. this keep out french-fries and thieves. we put a stand pipe with a quick couple on it inside the riser. we weld the pipe into the expanded metal so it can't get pulled out. we don't have too many grease thieves running around here that will monkey with a 2" quick couple. it goes to the bottom where all the crud is, so even if they stick a hose and pump all they can, all they are going to get is dregs at first. most guys stealing are only going to want the good stuff on top.
We spent a little time making patterns, and once you have one, it is pretty easy, all 120's I have found are exactly the same size. we made a template that goes around the 100# tank, and I just trace along with the plasma torch. if you do 6 or 8 at a time, this goes pretty fast, and you have limited fit-up. The same goes to putting legs on formerly vertical tanks, we make those out of a piece of 2" or so angle, and cut a saddle in one side so you have a good area to weld to. The leg has a pattern in our shop also. the riser and lid is the same for larger tanks as well. we have several 320 gallon propane tanks out there at some of our larger accounts, same lid, riser and stand pipe. If you weren't in Fl, I'd send a couple your way.
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Oh yeah, after trying to collect oil this winter in WV, I am envious of you doing this in Florida. We burned up tons of propane using a 500,000 btu weed burner to thaw stuff enough to be able to suck it up. all of our new tanks have 2" flame tubes through them now.
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Propane tanks are hard to come by here in FL. Everyone wants them for smokers.
I just searched all of FL on craigslist and found (4) 120 gallon. $125, $250, $400, $400. I'm guess the more expensive weren't salvage.
I recently lucked out and got (7) 500 gallon for cheap. All the 500's I see, which are few are $350 and up for salvage tanks.
I'm going to make a grease dolly to go with the tanks/drums. Then they can just roll out and dump with out spilling.
That I can understand. But I have to have containers as well. Plus they are built with thicker steel and more theft proof. But I will focus more on the 55 gallon drums at first since they are cheaper to do.????
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