Hi guys
Hope you can help a noob out
iv made two lots of bd 1 in a 1ltr bottle 2nd in a 5 ltr bottle both came out ok.
My 1st full test was on 40 ltrs in my still.Titration came out at 3 mls so i did 5+3 =8 so thats 320grms. 8 ltrs meth. heated to 50deg c. mixed for 3 hours, then left over night.
drained of glys and put to wash.
Added 13 ltrs of water and set the bubble wash going.Then it foamed up and turnd to chickin soup. have left it for 4 hours with no change.

Any idears guys (and ladies)
thanks malc

Do you usually use 20% methanol?

Possibly you may want to increase your methanol to 22% in future processes...push the reaction.

As for this batch....sorry, never seen anything like it.

You know you could try heating a liter Slowly to 60-70 Degrees centi-...see if it clarifies it at all??

Where did you get those nice barrels with the locking rings,...having a hard time finding them here.

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Originally posted by mull:
Where did you get those nice barrels with the locking rings,...having a hard time finding them here.

where are you? im in uk

That is the result of bubble washing. IMHO

how can i sort it?
what would you recomend?

thanks malc

Well, I'll let others tell you how to break the emulsion as there are several methods but I just drain it into buckets and let it sit and break on it's own but that can take quite some time.

I would suggest mist washing with hot water for your first few washes, I have never had much luck with using only bubble washing. Before mist washing I would just let the bd sit on top of some hot water for two hours.

Where in UK are you sticknberries?

Anyway, best suggestion i can make is to put that batch aside, make a new batch and mix the glycerol from it into your cloudy batch. It should clear right away.

PS - try using Graham Lamming's 5% prewash method if your doing water washes.

sticknberries,

I'm in USA, Ky.

I did have some oil like that once, I was experimenting with a liter of WVO, trying to H2O wash it, wanted to see if I could filter the crud out prior to processing.

I aggressively shook it, then let it sit and settle. After 3 days I still had "chicken soup". I then threw it out, but it was only 1 L.

Are you positive your titration was accurate?

Did you titrate once, or more? (I usually titrate 3 times, add my #'s and divide by 3)

I would increase future batches to 22% methanol.

With that much "soup", I would x-periment with a Liter, reprocess, or wash with gly. and see what happens.

Please keep us informed, sounds like an interesting (and unwanted) situation. Resolution could provide us all with some great info......GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by mull:
Where did you get those nice barrels with the locking rings,...having a hard time finding them here.

I have one of those drums. It's an open top drum with the same kind of locking ring. It has a 3/4" and a 2" bung in the lid as well. It was originally a Mobil grease drum. I got it from a truck garage.

Ken

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Originally posted by sticknberries:
Then it foamed up and turnd to chickin soup. have left it for 4 hours with no change.

You could try sprinkling some salt into it.

Ken

has happened to me twice now. I think this is an emulsion. the first time i am sure i over agitated during the first bubble wash, the second time I may have have set the timer to 6 hours instead of 3 for the first bubble wash not sure though. I drained and let sit for a month or so, got to recover 1/2 to 3/4 the rest seemed like thick white soap. I static wash for a day or so with hot water, then I bubble wash for three hours and let sit for a day, then i usually do three more 6 hour bubble washes, with hot water. I let it settle for a long time between wash cycles, takes about 5 days to complete a batch. takes a long time but i have had very little issues. make sure your not over agitating. what are you using for your bubbler. folks here pointed me to mcmaster carr website for a stainless air bubbler - great results with that

mix some salt water and put it in it will break it down for you then do the washing again

plugly

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Originally posted by Bunk:

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Originally posted by sticknberries:
Then it foamed up and turnd to chickin soup. have left it for 4 hours with no change.

You could try sprinkling some salt into it.

Ken

This is what I would reccommend. I have had good success in the past with a couple small emulsions. It works really fast. Try it in a 2 liter bottle if you don't believe me.

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Originally posted by Jehu:
Where in UK are you sticknberries?

Anyway, best suggestion i can make is to put that batch aside, make a new batch and mix the glycerol from it into your cloudy batch. It should clear right away.

PS - try using Graham Lamming's 5% prewash method if your doing water washes.

somerset