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hi tim AU:

i talked to another aussie in texas, a chemical engineer, who was telling me that your project should work. the oil companies use the same principle to get salt out of oil. thank you very much graham lamming for starting this.

i really want to hear more tim. i am very interested if it works as well as we all hope, to use it in a set up, processor i hope to set up. one of the questions i have is how much of the glycerine will it get out? will it get most, but we still have to settle for the last little bit, and how long?

we are all very impressed with your progress, and very thankful someone is doing the work, thank you tim very much and let us know when you have a working model that could do 4,000 to 8,000 liters a day. that is my goal here in san jose california. as far as concerns about safty, methanol is very dangerous if not handled properly, so as long as we are careful and follow the proper procedures, it should be safe.

i sent you and off line private message, but did not get a response, is there another way to contact you.

thank lad

TexasTony

Yesterday i went to Tractor supply and looked at the fench chargers, the '5 mile' type stated that with 1 mile of clean wire attached it produced 3600V, then dropped off from there. The '25 mile' type was showing approx 8000V but i cant remember if that was for 1 mile of wire or if it was for 5 miles of wire. But .. from the numbers posted even the small ones be lot more volts than be required for Gly seperation, and the larger ones be on up in the higher ranges of the soap seperation experements that i have seen conducted.

Trc

Trc: fence chargers are usually pulsed. They only generate the voltage for a brief moment, then sit for a while without voltage present (and charging the capacitor). We need constant voltage for separation. The high voltage source I've been using is an ion generator, which makes high voltage, but extremely low current.

Just linking to watch , thanks John

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Option 2: I'm not excited about this. It doesn't show any current limitation protection, it only puts out 7.5kV (which is a bit high for most setups), and it doesn't show a return current path (I can only assume it returns via ground, and that's far from ideal.

Surely the very nature of the villards circuit makes it intrinsically current limiting? Hence no other form of limitiation. Or have I misuderstood something?

only to bring this back to the top...

Is anyone using this for larger batches ???

br

Dieter

I just had a thought about electrostatic separation.
Control the distance between the plates of an electrostatic separator with a solenoid.
Wire the electrostatic generator and solenoid in series.
Match the current of the solenoid with the disired current in electrostatic field.
This should give a self adjusting gap between the plates.
I'd love to try this but I need help with the electronics side of this.

Hello everybody, first time poster here.

Attached to this post is a (crude) drawing of a proposed design for glycerol remover. Please comment it.

This design is continuous or batch operated and may be fed by Newton or the pump(with partly closed valve on the high pressure side). Coned tanks is not a requirement, but advangous.

As a continous process I expect "clean" biodiesel to rise to the top of the tank as the glycerol falls down, so the top valve (not included in the figure) controls "clean" bio flow rate, and the bottom valve must obviously control glycerol flowrate, which must be manually adjusted to a proper one, as must the outwards biodiesel flowrate.

Easy design, a water heater can be used - connect crude bio hose where the heater element used to be.


I'm currently making my second batch of biodiesel, 500 liters of wvo titrating at 3 and the plant design is mainly based on GL-one day process.

Thanks to everyone for making this forum a
great source for biodiesel related information.

glycerol_remover.JPG (17 KB, 174 downloads) glycerol remover

As a manufacture and developer of the electrostatic oil filtration technology I am very excited to see so much testing and thoughts about how the electrostatic oil filter can remove the glycerin from your processing and make the biodiesel cleaner.

Please check out the GREEN MACHEEN 300 at www.oilkleen.com for more information on our technology. OILKLEEN has the technology to clean your biodiesel product to the molecule level.

Paul Jarvis
OILKLEEN

Interesting product. I suspect the price tag would deter most people in this forum though. Would you like to tell us what that is? Any suggestions or ideas you would like to contrubute to the work in this thread that we could all use? I don`t mind the blatant ad for your product, as it is totally on topic; still it would be nice if you could help us poor folk out too

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OILKLEEN has the technology to clean your biodiesel product to the molecule level.

Have you ever actually used your product with biodiesel? What did you use it for? At what stage in the process? What happened? Are you sure it can be used with biodiesel to do anything useful and practical under real production conditions?

Oh yes, we have done extensive testing on BioDiesel with the OILKLEEN technology. The part of the process we used the electrostatic filtration was as a polishing filter for the final product. The product actually got much clearer and under a microscope the results were amazing. This will also stop fuel filters from clogging up.

Well, why not have a look at how you can serve the glycerol separation part of the process too.

Do all the fine particulate scrubbing early on in the process, where it takes less energy.

If you think my work has been of any value to you, please make a donation to Cancer Research UK and post a copy of your donation on this forum.

Here's where you can donate ...

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/donate/

It will do your PR a lot of good!

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was as a polishing filter for the final product. The product actually got much clearer and under a microscope the results were amazing. This will also stop fuel filters from clogging up.

So wht had already happend, after gly seperation, to clean the bio before you 'polished' it? what exactly was the amazing before and after sight revealed by the microsope? Well.... Fuel filters will all need changing eventually; they don't last forever. Any well cleaned bio by any method will avoid fast filter clogging.

Oh and what was the price?

For those who want to do their own testing, I have a 2KV power supply for sale on eBay. I'm no longer able to make biodiesel so I'm selling my equipment. The power supply link is below:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item...=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=019

Processor and other equipment can be found at this thread:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/959605551/m/9731084912

Thanks,
Martin

It has been an eternity since anyone posted on the electrostatic-field subject, but I've just come across the idea, and find it fascinating.

I haven't yet set up a processor, but am slowly accumulating all the necessary components for an "apple turnover" style, and plan to incorporate a GL-1 condenser as well.

I would like to try adding an electrostatic field component to my processor (as illustrated below). I know that as distance between conductors increases voltage required increases as well; would that make the eight inch separation between conductors unfeasible?

Assuming feasibility, what would I need to make this work? How much voltage would be required for an 8" gap? Would a copper rod make a suitable conductor, or is more surface area required? What about a fine mesh wire screen?

I have soooo many questions, and I am just now dipping my toe in the ocean here. Any and all advice would be appreciated.



Water_Heater_-_Cutaway.jpg (46 KB, 86 downloads) Proposed Setup for an electrostatically enabled Apple Turnover

I think a mwesh screen might be worth trying as it will increase the field area without increasing the capacitance (lethal storge potential) nearly as much as plates.

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Originally posted by OILKLEEN:
Oh yes, we have done extensive testing on BioDiesel with the OILKLEEN technology. The part of the process we used the electrostatic filtration was as a polishing filter for the final product. The product actually got much clearer and under a microscope the results were amazing. This will also stop fuel filters from clogging up.

OILKLEEN,

What is the cost of the two filter system? I have a small commercial biodiesel facility and would like to compare using your filter system versus ion exchange resin for polishing.

-Dave

So has anyone used this process to separate any large quantity of BD(30-40gal)? How much voltage for how long of a period?