Clitical Mass
I not rearize this term "Clitical Mass" was coin by Guest@@.
I arways thought it was Fermi, or Teller, or Einstein or Kistiakowsky or Bohr or Rutherford or Soddy or Beccquerel ot Roentgen or J.J. Thompson, or M. & Mme. Cuurie, or Chadwick or Heisenberg or Max Born or Erwin Schrodinger or E.O. Lawernce, or Crockoft or F & I Joliet-Curie or Hahan, Mitner, Fisch, Strassman, Wigner, Bethe, Pieiris, Abelson. McMillan. Seaborg. Oppemnheimer, Frank.
I so stupid. Not rearize that clitical mass was invention of Guest@@.
Hey! I get it. (Oko San not too blight (Vely Srow!))
Guest@@ is personification of cumurative interrigence of Manhaten Ploject!
We are so rucky!
Guest@@ must be lecipient of at reast 10 Nober Plizes.
Arr for Kirring and tellolizing mirrions of peopers.
Without you, Girr Mark would never have use term Clitical Mass and we would not have any idea of Curve of Binding Energy.
I am so glatefur to Guest@@ San.

If I could, I would give you Gland Plize custom made for you, a ....mirror (gigantic sizoo).
Maybe a box or loom with six mirror. froor, ceirring, and arr four warrs, so evely where you rook you can see lefrections of your blilliant serf.
Prease to wear sungrasses and hat! (wirr plotect you flom nucrear ladiation). Maybe some good sunbrocker too (watel ploof kind. Some vely interigent peoper wirr be happy to brow you (nicery) out of watel)
Humberry yours
Oko San

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Dear kenito.........

Your mastery of the english langauge is astounding,,you are even able to quote more masters than even I can remember.....Most excellent.

However, If I may return to the term "Transesterification" which even now is such a difficult word to say, I would say that the Master's Formula is not a complete reaction but merely a partial reaction where all ingredients ( KOH, oil, and 100% Ethanol) are in equalibrium, and therefore can be burned in most all diesel engines, without any problems...

I do like your use of metaphors of this person or that person,which is entertaining, and makes us all think in terms of Bio-diesel which is the very reason why we are here in the first place...........

On another note,in defense of the Master's formula and the use of Ethanol vrs Methanol... As you have seen the price of Ethanol has been escalating over the price of Methanol....

So I have decided to produce my own 200 proof Ethanol.........

I have found a local brewery, that is willing to provide me with the return kegs of stale beer
which I will distill into 195 proof and then add an entrailer to capture the remaining 5% water.............

If I am lucky, I will have a local source of Ethanol with which I can produce the Master's formula without any middleman suppliers to bleed me dry for the cost of Ethanol.....

I really belive that Ethanol is far superior as a solvent to Methanol, and that the yields with Ethanol are far and away much better, as my formula allows you to keep all three ingredients,Ethanol, KOH, and the Oil in perfect equalibrium......


Oil Can Harry

Oil Can
I thought it might interest you to know that I have been conducting a small workshop about how to make biodiesel.
Lesson one: single stage base transesterification with new and very old oil
Lesson Two: Acid/Base two step
Lesson Three: The Master's Formula, with full attibution to you and how to find your posts.
Respectfully Yours
Diff
If I may quote Kenito Oko "It was a cruel person that put the s in lisp.

Oil can ,
Have you or anyone else using the ethanol KOH method logged how many miles driven or (hours if in stationary equip) this fuel has been used?

Wanna be.......... Well lets see,, so far I have used it in both of my datsun diesels for almost 2 years, winter and summer, a little harder starting in the winter, and roughly 20,000 miles so far, and occasionly I have run out of my special mixture and have had to resort to using straight diesel untill I had another batch made,,,,, and I could tell no difference except that my truck really smells bad on diesel, and I would say that the diesel is slightly snappier on take offs......

So in a nutshell,, give my formula a try as I feel that it is superior .......

Oil Can Harry

wannabetc.
I first tried OCH's Masters formula on August 27, 2003 and posted the following

quote:

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SO...I had about 2 spare minutes today, when my eye fell upon some WVO sitting in the hot Florida sun. I used a the Denatured Alcohol version of The Master's Golden Formula. A minute after I had started shaking, (using the very large patented Dr. Pepper method) and assured by Nuetral that water, not Naptha, was the only thing to fear, but fear itself, I poured the product in my almost empty main tank and drove off into a tropical squall of driving rain, blinding lightning, deafening thunder and whipping wind.
I was looking for OCH who I heard was crawling on his belly in the gutter for years. I was going to pull up to him and tell him that I was John Bears Pertipton, and say "You are recipricant of a million dollar humanity award for saving the world with over unity Ethanol and KoH...."
I found no OCH, but..the engine ran like a top, emitting a novel odour. The news on the radio was grim, so I turned it off and noticed that all the men were kind and all women were beautiful. The squall passed. The birds and the flooded brooks harmonized like dulcette chimes and the whole of the world sang a merry tune, flooded in golden sun and sparkling rain bows.
Nuetral and OCH thank you for your replies.
Good night to all and to all a good night.
Diff

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I enjoy both making and using it in my primary test vehicle. I'm looking for a generator currently, no pun intended, and will power is with a great deal of the Masters Formule. I have used it to make great fuel from animal fats, yellow grease and brown grease.
Hope this helps
Diff

EXCELLENT ! sounds like the best thing since sliced bread.
I have looked around for ethanol seems like there are about 3or4 kinds of 100% ethanol... and none are cheap.
What should i be paying....
or what can i use instead?

Wannabe........ This is the tricky part finding the alcohol that is suitable,,, it can be the lowest technical grade of denatured Ethanol, but even that I have been quoted recent prices of $3.40 a gallon,,so for me I chose to find a local source of sugar to produce my own fuel alcohol......

This for me, is a local brewery that sells me their dead beer, which at that point is considered cattle and hog feed......

I suppose that if you were a hog, ready to be butchered standing in god knows what all day long, even stale warm beer would sound good.......

So if you want to make your fuel alcohol reasonble build yourself a fuel distillery, with the free exemption from the BATF and soon you will be producing 195 proof on your own... Now you will still have to remove the last of the water that will not let go in the distillation and add an entrailer (like zeolite) to soak up the last of the moisture,,, I know this all sounds like a lot of work and it is,, but the rewards are outstanding....

Oil Can Harry

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OCH
Perhaps I am a hog standing in God knows what, but I don't do it all day. Some times I "lye" in it.
However, standing or lying, warm stale beer always sounds good to me.

Wanna beer, efficient?
I know what bread in a bottle is, but, what is sliced bread?

Diff

Originally posted by The Diff:
OCH
Perhaps I am a hog standing in God knows what, but I don't do it all day. Some times I lye in it. However, standing or lying, warm stale beer always sounds good to me.

Wanna beer efficient?
I know what bread in a bottle is, but what is sliced bread?
Diff

So OCH, how goes the masters formula; ie do you still use it without problems?

What is your current formula?

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The Diff,

Re:...I know what bread in a bottle is, but what is sliced bread?
Diff

It's bread pre-cut into slices, or am I missing something here ?
regards
dva

dva, Thebushpig , and OCH
To all, Two things,
first, There is a saying here in the land of barbaria "the greatest thing since sliced bread"
My Norwegian friends say, when wanting to be complimentary "It's not the worst....I've...."

2nd,
Several months ago, OCH and I had the opportunity to talk on the telephone.
The whole experience gave me reason to just stop and reflect on an observation that I had 20 some years ago, in the heyday of my business career, "When you think you are most right.....You are probably most wrong!"
By his posts, I had imagined OCH to be a grizzled boiler stoker whose love pats might knock the living daylight out of any mere mortal.
Then I took a call from him and my perception is forever changed.
In talking with OCH, I thought that I might have been talking with Leonard Bernstein or the director of the London Symphony Orhcestra.
In discussing or contemplating the "Master's Formula" may I underscore that the "Master" is OCH.
We all spend millions of words replowing the same field here. In essence we hone the steel to a finer edge, However, little is posted here that is " completely new".
The Master's Formula is one of those "quantum leaps" which OCH selflessly shared with all of us.
Now, as I drive to and from work each day, I reflect frequently upon the issue of how differently we might converse here, if we had the opportunity to just (as OCH and I did) "talk".

Diff

Diff.......... You are very kind with your words of wisdom, however There is a saying, Just about the time you think you are being elevated to sainthood it's time to look down to see if your feet are still earthbound..........

I do feel honored to hear from a fellow experimenter and producer of that golden homebrewed fuel we all call bio-diesel......

Sometimes, when you are experimenting you just get flat lucky, and actually that's how I feel, lucky to know all of you folks,,,,oh sure there is the ocasional nerve wrentching jerk that I feel morally compelled to choke the living crap out of untill his soul has departed this earth..

But for the most part I am happy to contribute and also learn from fellow posters who have tried to teach me the value of selfless contribution to this forum....

Oil Can Harry

The Diff,
Firstly, I have never tried OCH's method so can't comment upon it.
Secondly, the 'sliced bread thing. You were a little confusing here. The first time you mentioned it you gave the impression that you were not aware of the meaning of the saying. I thought this to be most unlikely, and that is why I was somewhat confused by your responce. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
However, point three, and this is where where I must dissagree with you.
Re:..I reflect frequently upon the issue of how differently we might converse here, if we had the opportunity to just (as OCH and I did) "talk".

I have always felt that the discussion that goes on via the web has some great advantages over face-to -face conversation. Firstly you have time to reflect upon what you are going to say. You don't when you are talking. The is the fact of physical intimidation that can put people off expressing their true opinion to be considered. If you are five foot tall and are confronted with the problem of expressing your point of view to someone that is a foot taller and built like the proverbial brick outhouse, who has also had a bad day, you may not bother.
The distance is an decided advantage. Also the anonimity. Most of us have no idea who the others are. We are joined together by a common interest while occasionally wandering into different areas. If we don't want to partake in a certain aspect of the general discussion we can simply not post on it. This isn't so easy to do face to face. No doute most of us have attributes that the others may find undesirable. This doesn't matter on the net.
I once saw a cartoon that showed a hound typing at a computer. The implication being that on the net no one need know you are a dog.
However, having said all that, I still like to have a few words face to face with other biodieselers when the opportunity arises. Should I ever venture across the pond we may meet some day. I hope so.
regards
dva

This is copied here, where it belongs, from another thread.

Kugel,

Oil Can Harry has done a remarkable thing in the alternative fuel field. While all the rest of us are just mucking around with fine tuning either the making of biodiesel or the motor modifications to run on veg oil, he alone has come out with a truly novel method. He produces no waste stream, gets more fuel than the oil he starts with, has no danger of steel corrosion from FFA and requires no modification of the motor. The downsides to his method are: it uses ethanol which is more expensive than methanol, the oil must be liquid, it must be low in FFA and it may not be safe in other than an IDI motor. As there is no separation food debris must be filtered out. The ethanol must be dry of course.

The essence of his method is to use just enough alcohol and catalyst to convert about 1/3 of the oil to biodiesel. Biodiesel, as you would be aware, is an exceptionally good solvent and so is ethanol. The action of these two cosolvents combined is to keep everything in solution. There is no separation of glycerine so it is burned as fuel. The soap remains in solution and does not clog fiters. The viscosity drops enough to use without heat where he lives. He reports that his engine stays clean.

As you are proving that simply lowering viscosity by blending is safe in an IDI motor you should find his method of interest as it is really a blending system in which his blend is mainly veg oil, partially converted veg oil, biodiesel and ethanol.

Note added later: And of course I omitted to say that about 1/3rd of the glycerol in this fuel is free.

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Neutral......... You and the Diff are far too kind in your estimates of my formula... it is true that one could make issues of the many points that you bring up but that is the truth, biodiesel made with the Masters formula is not for everyone, however with the advent of cheaper Ethanol, and better education I belive that we will indeed overcome petty resistance to a method that once understood will become the gold standard...

Oil Can Harry

OK. I'm unabashedly asking what is perhaps an uninformed question.

At the temps I am heating my WVO to in my aux. fuel system, I am not worried about the viscosity. I am looking into blends because I am worried about improving atomization and reducing the potential for longterm coking.

I have read that a blend of 91% WVO and 9% ethanol (95%) heated to 176*F will approximate both the viscosity and atmoization of diesel. What could be used in place of ethanol? And is it as simple as mixing the two together with a paint mixer or something?

Also, what other factors related to burning WVO in a DI engine should I be concerned about in your opinions?

Thanks, guys. Keep up the great work!

I have been sucessfully running blends for over 4 years in a DI dodge cummins. The blends have been with up to 70% WVO (very well cold filtered) mixed with diesel or kerosene. My mixing method is to pour it back-and-forth between a couple of buckets just before pouring it in the truck tank.

This is a completely stock truck, no heat, no second tank. The only problem is that I have to replace the added cheap throw-away pre-filter every 200-500 miles due to tallow plugging.

Just about to start testing "the masters formula".This testing will be using E85 ethanol/gasoline blend as the source of ethanol. E85 is available here in Illinois at about $1.70 per gallon.

Well Tim, I have a couple of things to say.....
First, what you are doing with gasoline and ethanol is simply cutting the viscosity down on wvo...... My formula if far different than what you are attempting to do, please do not use my formula in any attempt to modify your viscosity, I will not be responsible for any engine damage that you may incur......

The Masters Formula was never intended to become part of a co-solvent with gasoline to cut waste vegetable oil with...

Also I don't wan't you bad mouthing my formula when your engine goes tits up because you are using raw vegetable oil and gasoline mixtures.....

Oil Can Harry