I am still trying to find a supplier or distributor of magnesol in Australia. Any takers?

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Originally posted by Jim D:
Hello Mark,
I just sent an email to Kevin at the Dallas Group, USA to see if there is a Dallas Group EU and also if there is one for Austrailia. I'll pass on anything I find out.
-Jim

Any luck with fhe Aust. info Jim? I am waiting to set up a reactor and filter system. If I dont have to use a stand pipe tank and just use a heated secondary tank to mag wash I'd be ecstatic!

I just started a new job last week. Between that, taxes, more taxes, and engine trouble with my mini-van I have not had the time to contact them. The best bet is to go to www.dallasgrp.com and then click on contact. They have an email address listed there.

-Jim

Hi All
I asked my oil supplier about Magnesol today. He told me that a sales rep is going to drop off a sample for him to try on Thursday. When I go back next weekend I will find out who the supplier is and post it.
Regards
Dave

where are people finding HCl, and how do you make a .01N batch of it?

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Originally posted by BooneBiodiesel:
where are people finding HCl, and how do you make a .01N batch of it?

Ahem. Just checked over at biodieselcommunity.org and saw the page regarding above. Is muriatic acid what everybody is using?
thx
chris

I got my bottle of Muratic Acid at Tractor Supply Store. It was in the driveway care area. It was the exact percentage listed in the the www.biodieselcommunity.org page and was only about $3.90. You don't use much of it. I'm still trying to figure out to do with the rest of it.

-Jim

You can find muriatic acid at paint stores, that where I got mine.

Scientific supply houses sell the 0.1N dilution of Hcl ready to go also.

One example:
http://www.cynmar.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_52&products_id=3351

Cheap! There are many others but Cynmar(I believe) sells to the public. (Am I right that this is what you use? I have yet to do a soap test, so...)

These guys have that 30 dollar or so pH meter too if you like using one of those...

Chris E.

You can sometimes buy 1 quart bottles of muriatic acid at ACE or True Value, that's a lot easier to deal with than taking 11 ml out of a 1-gallon bottle and wondering what to do with it.

Mark

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Originally posted by girl mark:
You can sometimes buy 1 quart bottles of muriatic acid at ACE or True Value
Mark

That is what I got from Tractor Supply Store. I still have a bunch left over. A gallon would be just flat out too much.

-Jim

I have purchased muriatic acid at home depot.

uniquewater
Most of the questions you might have (and some that you might not have thought of) have probably been addressed in this thread.
Diff

Did another mag-treated batch last week. I used the new D60 stuff from Jim (thanks, Jim). I did a soap titration, did some math including subtracting 20% for imporved efficiency of the D60. So I was very close to 2000g of mag in a 180 liter batch of biodiesel. Heat to 100f recirc for 1 hour, gravity filter through a sewn-up bedsheet, polish one hour through a 20 mic filter then pump to storage through the 20, a 10 mic and finally 0.5 micron.

Particle counts in my hemacyctometer were 0,0,0,0. In the past I was trying to apply a bit of scientific method but this was more of a quality check with no controls or comparisons. But the fuel is clean as can be which is gratifying. Crystal clear water on a shakem up test.

So my opinion is that the larger particles of the D60 are more easily and completely filtered out. Opinion only with no real science to back that up.

Anyone else seeing improved results with the D60?

Also, I need some help with my soap tiration. What I found at work is a bottle of 0.1N HCL. But I need 0.01N, right? So dilute with distilled water or ?? It wouldn't be the first time a decimal place got me in trouble!!

Chris E.

For easier math use:
R60 1% by weight magnesol R60 per 800ppm soap
D60 1% by weight magnesol D60 per 1000ppm soap
It takes care of the 20% better part.

-Jim

Thanks for "reactivating" this discussion Diff!
This was EXACTLY the type of dialogue I was looking for!

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Originally posted by Chris Erickson:
Also, I need some help with my soap tiration. What I found at work is a bottle of 0.1N HCL. But I need 0.01N, right? So dilute with distilled water or ?? It wouldn't be the first time a decimal place got me in trouble!!

Chris E.

I keep a stock solution of .1N and then dilute when needed. (Put 100mL of .1N in a 1 liter bottle/graduated cylinder then add distilled water to bring it up to one liter. Normally there is something about never pour water into acid (or is it the other way around?), but since it is already diluted you can add water without too much trouble. Do it slowly the first time just in case. Wear your PPE. Do it somewhere you can make a mess. Lots of precautions for what will turn out to be a simple procedure.

-Jim

the supplier of magnesol in Australia is National Food Service Equipment, they have an office in Perth - don't know about other states. They are not the easiest to deal with, i have been waiting for them to ring me back for the last 2 weeks. My oil supplier has been waiting for weeks for a quote on the fittings for a new fish and chip shop!
Regards
Dave

Hey Chris E.

Can you give me an example of how your filter system is physically setup and what type of filters you use? Include some pics if you have any.
I would like to try the Magnesol but not quite sure how to setup an effective filter system.

Thanks for any help!

Almost forgot... Are you using the "Dalsorb" or the "Magnesol XL"? And have you attempted to add this stuff to any WVO to eliminate/minimize the FFA (as advertised)

U-dub, I will take some pics soon. My set up is evolving (whose isn't?). I took a 55 gallon plastic drum, cut out the bottom, flipped it over, installed a drain in the bung - this sits on a platform above my former water washing conical tank. In the top goes a sewn up bedsheet like a really big sock filter. This way I can pump the whole batch of mag-containing biodiesel up there, leave it for the evening and it will gravity drain into a conical tank below. so now the bulk of the mag is caught in the bedsheet. (the pictures will make more sense, I promise)

The rest is mostly put together with hardware store water filter housings, the Goldenrod brand fuel filters and various cartridges I have found.

I'm most excited about the biodiesel compatible (viton o-ring and such) filters I found here:

http://www.cim-tek.com/800biotek.asp

and here:

http://www.jmesales.com/catalog/index.cfm?iid=32633&cid...8&sid=JME&method=cat

Jim at www.fryerpower.com sells a very similar one.

One interesting note: at a place called Serfilco they sell one cartridge which has a nominal 0.45 micron rating and an absolute 2 micron rating. I guess that kind of illustrates the "large" spread between nominal and absolute. So you can see an absolute 1 micron should actually filter tighter than a nominal 0.45.

I haven't done enough batches to guage the through-put on some of these cartridges-things are still flowing fine.

I'm not sure what Dalsorb is, another brand of mag silicate? I started with Jim's Magnesol R60 and have most recently used the D60.

I'll get the pics soon...

Chris E.