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Hi Stuart,
Thanks. [ edit 20 June 06 - Driving off methanol by distillation seems to be the preferred method- it minimises release of methanol into the environment - GL] I'm on the lookout for some clip-on lidded tanks now, my lash-up used a piece of plywood cut to fit the lid, with rubber hose acting as a gasket. Rough as heck, but proved a point. You do need to get inside the drum afterwards to clean it out. I've just cleaned out the 2nd batch, and there was only a thin layer of soap at the bottom. I used a brush on a stick to loosen it, and old newspapers to wipe it all clean. Nice and shiny again. The conclusion : 5% prewash = ADVISABLE Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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Graham, are you going to start a new thread? I think if we took a couple of the previous posts and pasted them together, we could start a new thread that made sense to new readers and continued the discussion.
Are you also recommending use 5% (five percent of the total volume of the batch in water to wash) wash prior to the new Airwash we have been discussing? Stuart Shellenberger www.fusionbiodiesel.com Fusion Biodiesel,LLC Authorized AGR Energy Dealer Mesa, AZ BioPro380----Oh Ya BABY! |
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Hi Stuart,
Yes, I'll start a new thread. I think it makes sense to condense all the conclusions and key steps together in a more managable size, with pictures to illustrate. I'm just going thru all the material and picking out the key points, writing it all down on paper first. The 5% water is added to the processor right at the end of the reaction and mixed in for 15 minutes or so inside the processor vessel. Then the pump is stopped, the glycerol layer allowed to settle and is removed (which now contains most of that water) Only then, the biodiesel is moved to the AirWash process. Seems to give better conversion and less soaps are transferred across. Regards, Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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I'm guessing that the 5% water wash is delivered via mist heads?
Stuart Shellenberger www.fusionbiodiesel.com Fusion Biodiesel,LLC Authorized AGR Energy Dealer Mesa, AZ BioPro380----Oh Ya BABY! |
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Hi Stuart,
No, not at all. Inject it into the methanol dosing line. I just add 4 litres of water to my methanol carboy and it cleans that out at the same time. Use the circulating pump to mix it all up thoroughly. Many folks worry about this causing an emulsion - no chance - there's so much glycerol still in the system an emulsion hasn't got a chance of forming. Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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my only suggstion would be to deal with the methanol fumes/ methanol recovery in a seperate new thread than the air wash/soap recovery thread
to minimize some of the confusion Higgins |
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Excellent suggestion - I'll keep to the washing side only.
I've just seen George Reiswig has started a 'Handling Methanol Fumes' thread here so we're all set! Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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This thread is now closed and has been moved here
Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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Has anyone determined about how much methanol remains in the BD layer following removal of the glycerol layer? This would depend to some extent on how much methanol was used in the orginal reaction but most people use about 20% methanol to initial used cooking oil. It would also be interesting to know approximately how much methanol and soap are removed in the glycerol layer. Again it would depend on various factors such as whether a pre-wash is used, initial % FFA etc.
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well ive filtering to 1 micron the bio i have made and it looks crystal clear i made it potassium but on a wash test with cold water the ph level of the water went up, im going to try sodium and see if i get the same result the bio was filtered for 2hrs through a 1 micron fiter
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This thread is now closed. The thread has been moved here Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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I"ll close it so people cant post more replies if you want
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Thanks GM - much obliged.
Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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