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As you may have read I proposed a place that we could all come and have conversations outside of the biodiesel world.
We will start here and who knows, if this place gets enough business maybe the place will grow and relocate to a forum of it's own,
but until then...


Welcome to the Bio Brewer's Bar and Grill!!!

A great place to relax and have off topic conversation with your bio-brothers (and sisters).
Come in, belly up to the bar, and have a cold one. Every one is welcome. Park your problems at the door.
No fightin', cussin' or spittin' on the floor, or you get bounced outta here. This is a classy joint and we want to keep it that way.
This place is new so watch out for the wet paint.
There is a free juke box in the corner, a pool table, and unlimited seating.
The beverages are cold, the grill is hot, and for now I will be tending bar.
I am a drinkin' bartend so I have already popped the top on a long neck behind the bar waiting for the crowd to roll in.
You don't have to stay long if you don't have the time, but at least stop in and say Hi!!!
You never know who is going to walk through the door.
 
Location: up the holler down Copperhead Road | Registered: April 28, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I just looked up today's weather forcast and it says;"cloudy and frigid", and for some reason I got a picture of my ex ... Big Grin



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Location: :-) Great White North eh ? | Registered: December 10, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Most North Americans live in poorly insulated drafty houses that leak out hot air in the winter and leak out any cool air-conditioning in the summer. They're heated by inefficient furnaces that waste 1/4 to 1/2 of your fuel bill up the chimney That's somewhat better than most of our vehicles that waste 2/3 to 3/4 of our vehicle fuel cost out the exhaust and radiator. Most of us would like to use less energy, and if we could get a few bucks ahead we would consider weathersealing the house, adding more insulation, maybe upgrading the furnace, maybe buying a newer used car that gets better than 20MPG.

Last week in Denmark, 'world leaders' like Bobby Mugabe and Hugo Chavez received standing ovations to the idea that N.Americans should be paying a hefty 'green guilt' 'carbon tax' so our governments can send money to Bobby, Hugo and their friends to maybe plant trees, so that maybe the planet won't get warmer, and you won't feel so guilty for your comfortable lifestyle.

Don't be fooled by media hype, pseudo science, and political propaganda. The following links are an easy to follow presentation of the climate data by a reputable scientist. It tests the hypothesis that CO2 from humans is causing global warming. That's how real science works, it's based on analysis of real data not politically driven consensus.

Watch the presentation, draw your own conclusions, and don't be fooled by climate scammers and predigested 'news'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno



 
Location: coldest N.America | Registered: May 03, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Dear Citizens of Earth
I'm to a point spiritually and emotionally where I can not handle too many more so-called truths. I need something to believe in. Climate change deniers, sigh. Who cares? Big money will corrupt everything and has doubtlessly already done so and this absolutely includes the climate change debate. To bankers and their politician puppets, climate change is another opportunity to remove money from the citizens and this time the bankers can fleece a whole new spectrum of people. It probably makes them snicker in their smoking jackets just knowing they found a way to remove wealth from pesky environmentalists.

However, just because the rich are getting richer on the climate change argument, this doesn't mean humans are not destroying this planet. In the last hundred years, we have been wrecking ecosystems worldwide by transporting invasive species, which in turn destroy local species diversity. I don't have a PHD, but I was raised by a conservationist, scientist and pastor. We are stewards of the land. We care for our forests. We have cared for our land for this land in New Mexico for four decades.

The kind of things we fix on our land are not natural environmental degradations. Rather we've repaired extensive damage in the form of erosion from horse drawn wagons, trees mutilated from decades of resource harvesting and a blatantly neglectful forest management by the previous owners, in part because these same do-gooder environmentalists wouldn't let any body work in the forests after the second logging operation, which removed nearly as many trees for the rail road as the first time through in the late 1800s.

But, I stray from the point. Our forest management practices have been focused on damage humans have done. We haven't had a volcano erupt and cloud the sky with ash and gas, only the occasional forest fire which only really threatens the environmentally unaware people that move to the forest, building flammable homes with fantastic views. Anyway, forest fires are like our biodiesel and are carbon neutral, they are not the problem, it is fossil fuels, and big money is very busy making big money off energy right now.

Oil is being used quicker than it can be brought to market, of course the bankers are looking for the new cash cow. Here is a great web site and fine video http://postpeakliving.com/uncrash-course

Please don't dismiss the disastrous effects we (humans) are having on the planet, because some one says it ain't so. Just look around. Go for a hike. Get outdoors. The land isn't the way it looked when I was a kid five decades ago. We used to be able to eat oysters from the bay without worrying about pollution and drink from a stream without worrying what was upstream. We better pay attention now.
Carbon tax is another way for the rich to get richer. It will not limit the amount of pollution from burning fossil fuels, only make people pay to pollute. By suggesting that Climate Change is not proven by science is counter productive to humanity's growth. Humans need to take more responsibility for our footprint on this earth. Every suggestion that we might not be responsible gives the weak minded masses another excuse to not care about Mother Earth and continue on our consumerist destruction of the planet and everything else that stands in the way of our indulgences.


Brian Rodgers

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Location: Northeastern New Mexico | Registered: October 26, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Perhaps we should focus on problems which are clearly and unequivocally caused by humans. Things like toxic pollution, environmental destruction, deforestation, groundwater depletion, etc. End the spurious climate debate and get on with solving the real problems we've caused.



 
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Perhaps we should focus on problems which are clearly and unequivocally caused by humans. Things like toxic pollution, environmental destruction, deforestation, groundwater depletion, etc. End the spurious climate debate and get on with solving the real problems we've caused.


I'll second that notion!!
 
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Are humans causing global warming? Do bio users care?

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North Americans are going to love complaining about the inevitable rise in fossil fuel prices. However, history shows us that rising cost is the only factor that will motivate them to use less, use alternatives, and use it more efficiently. There have been plenty of opportunities for more altruistic actions but none have been particularly successful, and none as effective as increasing the price. Here's a new approach from James Hansen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi...eement-opportunities

The centrepiece of the old approach was a "cap-and-trade" scheme, festooned with offsets and bribes – bribes that purportedly, but hardly, reduced carbon emissions. It was analogous to the indulgences scheme of the Middle Ages, whereby sinners paid the Church for forgiveness.

In today's indulgences the sinners, developed countries, buy off developing countries by paying for "offsets" to their own emissions and providing reparation money for adaptation to climate change. But such hush money won't work. Yes, some developing country leaders salivated over the proffered $100 billion per year. But by buying in, they would cheat their children and ours. Besides, even the $100 billion hush money is fugacious. The US, based on its proportion of the fossil fuel carbon in the air today, would owe $27 billion per year. Chance of Congress providing that: dead zero. Maybe the UK will cough up its $6 billion per year and Germany its $7 billion per year. But who will collect Russia's $7 billion per year?

Most purchased "offsets" to fossil fuel carbon dioxide emissions are hokey. But there is no need to flagellate the details of this modern indulgences scheme. Science provides an unambiguous fact that our leaders continue to ignore: carbon dioxide from fossil fuel burning remains in the climate system for millennia. The only solution is to move promptly to a clean energy future.

The difficulty is that fossil fuels are the cheapest energy, if the price does not include the damage they do to human health, the planet, and the future of our children. "Goals" for future emission reductions, whether "legally binding" or not, are utter nonsense as long as fossil fuels are the cheapest energy. ...

As far as the planet is concerned, agreements to "cap" emissions, such as the Kyoto Protocol and the imagined Copenhagen Protocol, are worthless scraps of paper. As long as fossil fuels are the cheapest energy, they will be burned somewhere. This fact helps define a solution to the climate problem. Yes, people must make changes in the way they live. Countries must cooperate. Matters as intractable as population must be included. Technology improvements are required. Changes must be economically efficient. The climate solution necessarily will increase the price of fossil fuel energy. We must admit that. But in the end, energy efficiency and carbon-free energy can be made less expensive than fossil fuels, if fossil fuels' cost to society is included. The solution must have honesty, backbone and a fair international framework. We need a rising price on carbon applied at the source (the mine, wellhead, or port of entry). The fee will affect all activities that use fossil fuels, directly or indirectly. The entire fee collected from fossil fuel companies should be distributed to the public. In this fee-and-dividend approach people maintaining a carbon footprint smaller than average will receive more in the dividend than they pay via increased energy costs. The monthly dividend, deposited electronically in their bank account or on their debit card, will stimulate the economy and provide people with the means to increase their carbon efficiency. All that governments need do is divide the collected revenue by the number of shares, with half-shares for children, up to two children per family.

Some economists prefer a payroll tax deduction over a dividend, because taxes depress the economy. The problem is that about half of the public are not on payrolls, because of retirement or involuntary unemployment. I suggest that at most 50% of the collected carbon fee should be used for payroll tax deduction.

Cap-and-trade is the antithesis of this simple system. Cap-and-trade is a hidden tax, increasing energy costs, but with no public dividend. Its infrastructure costs the public, who also fund the profits of the resulting big banks and speculators. Cap-and-trade is advantageous only to energy companies with strong lobbyists and government officials who dole out proceeds from pollution certificates to favoured industries.

Fee-and-dividend, in contrast, is a non-tax – on average it is revenue-neutral. The public will probably accept a rise in the carbon fee rate, because their monthly dividend will increase correspondingly. As fee-and-dividend causes fossil fuel energy prices to rise, a series of points will be reached at which various carbon-free energies and carbon-saving technologies are cheaper than fossil fuels plus the fee. The market place will choose the best technology. As time goes on, fossil fuel use will collapse, coal will be left in the ground, and we will have arrived at a clean energy future. A rising carbon fee is essential for a climate solution. But how to achieve a fair international framework?

The critical requirement is that the United States and China agree to apply across-the-board carbon fees, at a relative rate to be negotiated. Why would China agree to a carbon fee? China does not want to be saddled with the problems that attend fossil fuel addiction such as those that plague the United States. Besides, China would be hit extraordinarily hard by climate change. A uniform rising carbon fee is the most economically efficient way for China to limit its fossil fuel dependence.

Copenhagen discussions showed that China and the United States can work together. Europe, Japan, and most developed countries would very probably agree to a similar status to that of the United States. Countries refusing to levy an across-the-board carbon fee can be dealt with via an import duty collected on products from that nation in accord with the amount of fossil fuel that goes into producing the product. The World Trade Organisation already has rules permitting such duties.

The international framework must define how proceeds from import duties are used to assure fairness. Duties on products from developing countries will probably dwarf present foreign aid to those countries. These funds should be returned to developing countries, but distributed so as to encourage best practices, for example, improved women's rights and education that helps control population growth. Fairness also requires that distribution of the funds takes account of the ongoing impacts of climate change. Successful efforts in limiting deforestation and other best practices could also be rewarded.

James Hansen was the first scientist to warn the US Congress of the dangers of climate change. The ideas discussed in this article are expanded on in his new book "Storms of My Grandchildren".



 
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Ice fishing anyone???


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I've been ice fishing all these years with the wrong damn crowd.
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"All six crew, who earlier hurled stink bombs at the whalers to disrupt their annual hunt, were rescued unharmed by Sea Shepherd's Bob Barker ship. Activists described the attack as unprovoked and said it was captured on film."

Did the writer actually read what they wrote?
 
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I hope they arm the Steve Irwin with cruise missiles and torpedoes and start sinking those murderous jap whalers, they whale in the southern ocean marine sanctuary, they do it under the disguise of "research" then the "research" whale meat shows up in the japanese fish markets, it needs to stop and if it takes sinking some of the bastards, oh well.
 
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Absolutely agree with you, Fab. The excuse that they're having to kill hundreds of whales every year in the name of "scientific research" is completely dishonest.

The whalers are big ships, and the protesters generally in small inflatables with outboards, so it's really a David versus Goliath situation.
 
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"All six crew, who earlier hurled stink bombs at the whalers to disrupt their annual hunt, were rescued unharmed by Sea Shepherd's Bob Barker ship. Activists described the attack as unprovoked and said it was captured on film."

Did the writer actually read what they wrote?

Lol, no doubt FF!
I dont know enough about what the Japs are up to to comment about their activity's right or wrong but I do know that these "Sea Shepherds" are a bunch of clueless fanatics who need to get a job and a clue! They have created allot of grief and bad press for our Inuit people in Northern Canada during their annual seal hunt. Most of their funding comes from clueless celebrity's looking for a cause to make them feel good about themselves... Mad
I applaud the Jap who sunk their ship and I would hope that there are more to follow... Razz
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The Big Mac index
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http://www.economist.com/daily...fm?story_id=15210330
Jan 6th 2010
From Economist.com
Burgernomics shows the Chinese yuan is still undervalued

THE Big Mac index is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP)—exchange rates should equalise the price of a basket of goods in different countries. The exchange rate that leaves a Big Mac costing the same in dollars everywhere is our fair-value benchmark. So our light-hearted index shows which countries the foreign-exchange market has blessed with a cheap currency, and which has it burdened with a dear one. The most overvalued currency against the dollar is the Norwegian kroner, which is 96% above its PPP rate. In Oslo you can expect to pay around $7 for a Big Mac. At the other end of the scale is the Chinese yuan, which is undervalued by 49%. The euro comes in at 35% over its PPP rate, a little higher than half a year ago.
AP



 
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