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Hi,
Spoke to these people a few days back, they have a ton of diesel treatments including a BD winter treatment they sell.

Here is the link:
http://www.fppf.com/biodieselwintertreat.asp

Has anyone tried it? tested it? Thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan
 
Location: Central California | Registered: April 24, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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"Formulated for B20"

I have yet to see a product that even claims to really work for B100--


Would be nice--

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Registered: May 23, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Celtic power claims to have an addative for B100
http://haventrading.com/page19.html


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Location: Manitoba Canada | Registered: March 24, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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BTom, did you test "Wintron"?
$65/gallon seems rather pricey.
For it to be effective the mix must be cold filtered.
http://haventrading.com/page18.html

If one cold filters, then does one really need the additive?



 
Location: coldest N.America | Registered: May 03, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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According to the graph,
The Wintron X-30 is supposed to do a 15°C to 20°C freezing point depression of the biodiesel with a 1% mix.

So, $65/gallon is a bit expensive. But, that should treat 100 gallons of fuel.

Of course, if your target temp is more moderate, say minimum 5°F, then it would take a 0.2 to 0.3% mix, and you get $65 to treat 500 gallons. That certainly would last me for a few winters.

I can't find the MSDS for the X-30.


The FPPF BIO DIESEL WINTER TREATMENT seems to have fewer notes on the use especially with higher blends. They list 1 gallon / 1000 gallons. 0.1%. But this is for B20 of unspecified origin.

There is a MSDS sheet for the FPPF though.
http://www.fppf.com/msds/FPPF%...nter%20Treatment.pdf

It appears to be a mix, mainly Naptha, and various hydrocarbons.

One of the interesting additives is:
Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Butoxyethanol

It has a low melting point (-107 °F), relatively high boiling point (340 °F), and is miscible in water.

It also has 2-Ethylhexanol, a relatively big alcohol (which has low water solubility), but probably an affinity to organics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Ethylhexanol

Anyway, I guess the question should be whether these additives at $65/gallon are any better than Gasoline at $3/gallon. Or, whether they are 20x better!!!!

Naptha is essentially "White Gas", or "Camp Fuel", and is also relatively inexpensive.
 
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Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether is what folks call "butyl" as in a "butyl cleaner". It's a staple item in most cleaners from 409 to Windex, or at least it used to be. The ethylene glycols came under attack for safety reasons. I went to propylene glycols years ago. Kind of a sweet smelling ingredient.

In the industry, we call this ingredient EB, or butyl cellosolve. It's a great solvent... miscible in water (mixes) and is a good solvent component to a detergent blend.

I recognize some of the other individual hazardous ingredients as components of an aromatic solvent. Used them for years... staple items in chemical blending. Again, for safety and environmental reasons, I reformulated away from those. But, it should drop the viscosity.

Looking at the MSDS, this is a blend of aromatic and aliphatic solvents. Not really that hazardous, either. Hmmm... I think I have these ingredients around in my lab and in my mixing plant. I may need to do some playing when I get home. Right now I'm on the road going to an ethanol seminar.


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Location: El Dorado, Ark | Registered: July 04, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post



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Now that's a lot of info guys, thanks!

The wintron product certainly looks better than what I found since it is for B100.
It also wins the math battle, only increasing my cost per gallon about half as much as 10% kerosene.
Since I am in central California I only need to handle around 20 degrees F which 0.2% of the Wintron would seem to handle...

Any need to worry about the safety of the ingredients in the Wintron product?

Dan
 
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