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March 11, 2010, 10:55 AM
Rick K
Biodiesel Glycerin (BDG) Soap Calculator!
By popular demand Knice-N-Clean has released a light version of the KNC BDG Soap Calculator!

This is a free soap calculator that can be used to formulate liquid or bar recipes. These recipes can include your biodiesel glycerin and/or other traditional ingredients. The interface is really easy to use and you can even print the recipes!!!

We have included the most common whole oil and fatty acid ingredients. However, if you find an oil or ingredient you would like to have added to the calculator, please let us know.

Comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
rick@knicenclean.com



Enjoy!

Happy Soaping Smile

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Rick K,


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

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March 11, 2010, 04:11 PM
Jon Heron
Looks nice Rick!
Jon


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March 11, 2010, 05:49 PM
Bunk
The screenshot looks good but it doesn't come out right when you try to open the page in FireFox.

EDIT: It works in FireFox. I guess it works better when you give it some data to work with. Red Face

Ken
March 11, 2010, 08:06 PM
Rick K
Bunk,

So it's working in firefox?

Still have several details I want to add... fatty acid ratio, hardness and thickening ratio's... And the list goes on and on.

Hope you guys find it useful.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
March 11, 2010, 09:50 PM
Double D
Rick,
When I click on the first link in your post it opens a page that says download microsoft silverfox. I can't do it on dial up here at home. What is silverfox?? I've never seen/heard of it before.
March 11, 2010, 09:57 PM
Rick K
Silverlight is a Microsoft runtime engine. It allows for rich applications that will run in any browser. Most vista and windows 7 machines have it pre-installed.

It's similar to having to have flash for some web applications.

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/

This also allows me to have the light version for the web and another version that can run as a windows application too. Basically allows me to use the same code over for two similar applications.

It's not a really big download, not sure about dial-up. You can get a free silverlight runtime disk from Microsoft I believe.

How did you download Flash or adobe for your browser? You could use the same method to get the silverlight runtime.

Worst case I could compile it into a regular windows application and send you a copy. The full version is a windows application.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
March 11, 2010, 10:07 PM
Double D
Roger that,
I'll see if I can download it when I'm out with the lap top in town.
It just gave me an estimated time of 25 minutes to download, Ain't gonna happen tonight.
March 11, 2010, 10:09 PM
Rick K
Let me know if you get it worked out...

I can also burn a copy of the Silverlight runtime to a disk and send it your way via snail mail.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
March 12, 2010, 08:29 AM
Bunk
Yes, it's working in FireFox on WinXP. I already had the FireFox Silverlight plug-in installed.

It does not work right in FireFox on Ubuntu 9.10 with Novell Moonlight 2.2 and the Microsoft Media Pack codecs installed. The page opens very slowly, but eventually does load. Everything looks OK but nothing can be selected from the drop-downs. When you click on the selection it won't "stick" and the box above the selection stays blank.
EDIT: OK, I can select the caustic type and units, that part works. I can also select ingredients other than glycerin, but it still does not calculate the recipe. Glycerin cannot be selected.




I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with the SAP % when I select glycerin. The Permaculture recipe calls for 38.5 grams NaOH per liter glycerin. I have to put 27% in the SAP column for it to come up with the right amount of caustic. What does "27%" indicate?

Ken
March 12, 2010, 09:23 AM
Rick K
Thanks Ken,

I will have to see if I can find a way to test the calculator with Ubuntu and Novell.
Do you have another browser you can use in the interim?

The SAP% is the percentage of saponifiable elements left over in you BDG. If you are using the Permaculture 38.5 you would use 27% for the other 40g per liter you would use 28% or 29%. These numbers are for NaOH glycerin and Bar soaps. Liquid soap equivalent 54g - 27% and 57g-58g for 27% and 29%.

Speaking of Permaculture... I wish I knew who that guy was... He is truly the grandfather of BDG soaping and I tip my hat in respect to him.

Hybrid soaps will use BDG saponified with the "opposite" catalyst and/or BDG saponified with the same catalyst used in a recipe in which some of the ingredients are using the "opposite" catalyst.

This stuff will be build into the calculator as it progresses.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
March 12, 2010, 10:08 AM
Bunk
quote:
Originally posted by Rick K:
Do you have another browser you can use in the interim?
I could boot WinXP and open it in FireFox but where's the fun in that?

I don't know Terry McGleish (author of the Permaculture article) but Graydon has a link to some of his work on his website. Maybe Gradon knows him.
Unfortunately the www.eline2000.com website has been undergoing redesign (apparently since May 2008) and isn't completely functional but there are some articles available.
http://www.eline2000.com/biogen/biogenset.htm
http://www.eline2000.com/barsoap/barsoap.htm
http://www.eline2000.com/biodiesel/biodiesel.htm

Ken
March 12, 2010, 10:20 AM
Bunk
quote:
Originally posted by Rick K:
The SAP% is the percentage of saponifiable elements left over in you BDG. If you are using the Permaculture 38.5 you would use 27% for the other 40g per liter you would use 28% or 29%. These numbers are for NaOH glycerin and Bar soaps. Liquid soap equivalent 54g - 27% and 57g-58g for 27% and 29%.
OK. I'm just used to seeing SAP values expressed as milligrams KOH per gram of fat. The next time I'm in WinXP I'll look at it again. Maybe it'll make better sense if I can plug some numbers in and see the results.

Ken
March 12, 2010, 10:22 AM
Rick K
Yep, I would love to have a chat with Terry. His Permaculture page on soap got me rolling when I first started making biodiesel. I turned my very first batch of glycerin into bar soap with his advice, still have a bar or two this many years later.

Hat's off to Terry Smile


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
March 15, 2010, 03:10 PM
Rick K
Tim,
I have added Beeswax to the list of ingredients.

I've also adjusted the SAP value for PKO.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
April 09, 2010, 10:21 PM
Rick K
Heatbeater is experimenting with using Calcium Hydroxide Ca(OH)2 in his soaps.

To help support his effort I've added the Ca(OH)2 caustic to the KNC Soap Calculator.

If there are any other requests for the calculator please let me know.

Other whole oils anyone would like to try?


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
December 26, 2011, 06:55 AM
Kostas-P
Hi and Merry Christmas.

I have see the soap calculator: http://www.knicenclean.com/recipes/rksoap100b.html
but I cannot understand about “ 1 T sodium lactate” Can someone tell me what is the “T” ?

Thanks
December 26, 2011, 12:43 PM
Rick K
That is one US Tablespoon or about 14.235 grams.

This will help hot processed soap remain pourable and also add hardness to the cured soap.


-Rick

http://www.knicenclean.com your single-most largest free BDG soaping content on the internet.
SAP Testing, Ingredient Properties, Soap Glossary and Recipes just to name a few.

Making Biodiesel Byproduct Soap Learn how to use your biodiesel byproducts to make great bar and liquid soap!!!

"Closing the loop on biodiesel production one bar at a time!"

Beware of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
December 27, 2011, 07:38 AM
Kostas-P
Thanks Rick K.
I found liquid sodium lactate. I think is the same ml or I must put more?