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anyone run a ssangyong musso or sportz on bd ..or any other common rail turbo diesl??
its recomended not to run the common rail on bd ?? any comments
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Location: geraldton wa | Registered: June 13, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The other day on this forum I put out a request for more info re our Toyota Landcruiser 3 ltr D4D which I believe is one of the early common rail engines manufactured 2002 we bought it new 2003. I used bio (neat) in it since christmas this year but as I said in my last posting therew was a severe problem with flat spot & missing. I removed the two valves at the front of the electronic pump which is denso name. I squirted carb cleaner thro the small holes in these valves and although there was no visible sign of any contamination on either valves it rectified the problem completely.
I am surprised that there is not more info on this forum about common rail engines but I wonder if this is caused by very few people needing to use bio in these exceptionally expensive engines !!!
The attitude of the specialists condem the use of bio in these engines & as one said the lubricity of the bio might be inferior but I thought bio was supposed to be 50% MORE lubricating than mineral diesel. It really is frustrating to know catagorically who is telling the truth..???? Re the fuel regulating valves I cleaned to good effect-- another specialist diesel engineer said -in any case those valves are prone to sticking even with diesel but he still remarked 'it might have been the bio that made them stick'-- I did not answer this remark but just cancelled the appointment as the problem was no more but I did say to myself FXXX BXXXXXXX BXXXXXXXs.. When the first hint of trouble ensued I changed the filter but I think a tiny bit of something got thro the filter system and then into the regulating valves which are electronic. I felt the problem was and it felt like a shortage of fuel at the pump. Apparently the Bosch system uses only one valve on the electronic pump as opposed to two on the Denso pump. I am shortly going to prove the viscosity of my bio against that of red diesel and I can easily do this. Although I'm guessing I dont think there is a vast difference between the two but I would like to know positively. I'll carry on reading the various posts re Common rails & hope to learn all I can. Regards Mick
 
Location: Nottingham in England | Registered: August 01, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have two mussos on WVO & WVO blend in very cold times. 2005 sports ute & 1999 wagon.

Neither is common rail they are similar to the Merc 602.

Love them.
Recently traveled 2500kms on WVO blend. 1260kms each way. 300kms each way of very hard work dirt roads heave corrugations, sand and lime stone.

I cam home in the one day and felt fine despite having lost my cruise control.

I dont like that there transfer case leak have to top up every service 50 -100ml.
The cruise was crap, replace with an after market one.

They boost 9-10psi stock and go quite well.

Oh the 1999 had horrible shakes at idle when i got it, the governor shaft in the bosch IP wears the case. Ssangyong have two Anti- tremble plates but i just stuck a magnet on it no worries.

If i can be of help to any one feel welcome to ask.

Bless ya


Peace and Blessings
Howie
87/88 300D 210k
Near 50k on svo fuel heater thermostat by passed
GQY60 Nissam Patrol with TD42 donk. 390k near 80k Veggie
Tiger loop CAV 296 filter (retired still running never a fuel issue)
2005 Musso 150k near 15k WVO
1999 Musso 195k near 1500kms WVO
PUG 306 turbo about to be converted
 
Location: Regional South Australia  | Registered: November 11, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Musso will probably be my next ride, Hopefully I can find what I want in the next couple of months.

I have a friend that has had one for a few years now mainly running it on an 80WVO/20 Dino blend and hasn't had any issues at all. He loves the thing, drives it everywhere and is totally happy with it.
I have not heard of any problems with these things on WVO or Bio being that they are one of the few newish Vehicles with the old school injection/ engine setups.

I have heard a few people complain about performance including a friend that had one for a while that wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. It was so slow up hills I knew something had to be wrong.
I checked it out and sure enough the throttle was badly adjusted and it was only getting about 60% Travel. Once Corrected the performance was completely different.

I imagine like most diesels the things can be turned up a lot over stock factory settings and given a big shot in the backside. I have seen a Vid on one in Korea I think That has been worked up a bit and is a bloody fast car even on the drag strip. I think from memory the mods are all bolt on such as a bigger Snail and Inter cooler and may run water or gas injection.

For what they offer, they seem to be about the best value for money Diesel around.
 
Registered: July 30, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have two mussos 2005 & 1999 sla 662 and they are really good.
9-10 psi boost.

Transfer case on the 2005 leaks in the metal to metal seal and it looks like some one has been there before. A little fluid makes a crap mess but the forum consensus is 3000kms to top it up.

being anal i never let it go that long and it was taking very little.

I slapped sillicon on the out side and have slowed it and reduced my tail gate stain.

The 1999 has sillicon on the outside and does not leak.

The 1999 used to shake like made at low rpms, put a magnet on the outside of the Governor shaft cover and fixed that.

The 2005 auto is not the smoothest at high rpm through the gears, down the bottom light foot its like a petrol car. the 1999 is manual and is nice to rev up but a bit vibration at low rpm.

They both make horrible wind noise in the front doors when the wind is at the right angle, i got some secondary seals for ebay, watch out only got three and lots of little bits, snugged the latches and reduced it but the inside handle was loaded too much so i need to play.

I also have a 603 in my merc, basically a natural aspirated version of the engine with one extra pot tacked on theese things and the 602 have the rep for 100% WVO, they are said to have the best lift pump but i think it has much to do with tank position compared to the lift pump height.

My 603 has no additional fuel pump but i had to install electric lift pumps & in line pre filters just the little throw away plastic ones, well i say had to, they ran ok but the vacum on the fuel feed line was very high compared with the 603 in the 300d.

I blanked the EGR on both mussos, the 2005 has a cat and the 1999 does not, thinking to remove it.

The cruise in the 2005 was crap maintained speed but could feel it surging, no adjustment that i could find, aftermarket fit and problem solved.

My 2005 sits on 17" and the 1999 on 15".

The 1999 has a 225lt sub tank, suspension airbags, a proper bull bar, second spare gate support.

Have done shockers in both, the 2005 was like a boat when i got it, had to adjust torion bar ride height. Ball joints & tie rod ends, swing arm bushes in the 1999 and its rack is pretty sloppy.

In the 2005 i tie rod, fitted alloy full bumper roo bar.

Recently i threw a 44 drum in the back of the 2005 and we went on a drive, i live bottom center Australia and we went just short of the middle of the country. 1260kms each way. 960 bitumen 300 mixed dirt. Both cars were great, very comfortable on the tar, just like driving a car. Plenty of go for passing and to pull up hills, yes we do have hills in the middle of Australia even my own daughter born and raised here that drove the 1999 did not believe me when b4 we left i told of the hills. LOL

We sat on about 100kms most of the tar and did the trip over two days.

The dirt was a very scary drive, dead cars and bits everywhere and i was thinking what will i leave behind as i swerve around diffs and exhausts.
By the new whole car wrecks not yet pushed off to the side i could see if you leave it here it will be thrashed when you return.

Very hard corrugation, sand traps and limestone rocks hidden by sand to look flat until your on top of it.

Now i put the 1999 with its 15"s in front and i followed well back from the dust trail and mostly too far for the radios to work, she was too slow for me i needed to get on top of those corrugations, so i was trying to slow on the smoother stuff and speed up for the rough. Obviously had to slow for the deep sand traps but stayed in high range.

Now the journey home speaks for the musso. I came home alone so the dirt was all mine, but for the wreaks rubbish camels, horses, roos, foxes, emus, camels, camels, and even more camels. I got to set my speed and it was a great run. Harder suspension would help, better dirt tyres but she did real well. It the end of the dirt, no horn (its my own not oem), no aftermarket cruise and a front bumper support lose, not oem prob it would be the guys that fitted my roo bar.

I went the rest of the way home in that day and felt fine, i sat on 110km -140km when no traffic and tested 160km.

To have spent 14 hrs including breaks, traveled 1260km 300km of them on rough tracks and not felt like **** when i got home, it cost me $70 including ULP, electricity and the $34 of diesel i had to by because i did not have enough fuel, i say WVO folks should seriously consider musso.

I only get about 11.6 lts to the 100kms far above the promise on diesel. I did a one tank test on diesel when i first got it and it was similar but i had cruise issues then. If i had done 100km on the way home i reckon i would not needed to have bought diesel and would have made about 10.7 to the 100km.

My fuel was approx 10% ULP (RUG)

If i can help you any time about musso happy to but have prob rambles it all LOL


Peace and Blessings
Howie
87/88 300D 210k
Near 50k on svo fuel heater thermostat by passed
GQY60 Nissam Patrol with TD42 donk. 390k near 80k Veggie
Tiger loop CAV 296 filter (retired still running never a fuel issue)
2005 Musso 150k near 15k WVO
1999 Musso 195k near 1500kms WVO
PUG 306 turbo about to be converted
 
Location: Regional South Australia  | Registered: November 11, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi all,
Still mussoing along on veggie, bypassed the boost controller and boost at 16 psi


Peace and Blessings
Howie
87/88 300D 210k
Near 50k on svo fuel heater thermostat by passed
GQY60 Nissam Patrol with TD42 donk. 390k near 80k Veggie
Tiger loop CAV 296 filter (retired still running never a fuel issue)
2005 Musso 150k near 15k WVO
1999 Musso 195k near 1500kms WVO
PUG 306 turbo about to be converted
 
Location: Regional South Australia  | Registered: November 11, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post



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