Interested in more info on Ecopure
Who's tried it ?
How did it work?
What Exactly / or what do you think it is?
Costs & suppliers?
Any one with info on the above would be appreciated.

BioB

I think it's processed oak shavings.

Eco2pure is a cellulosic based purification media which incorporates filtration and purification enhancers into the wood based backbone of the product.

The real innovation with eco2pure is in the rigs which have been developed around the media .. which is obviously more than just sawdust !

Infomration is available via a video on our website which can be found at http://www.filtertechnik.co.uk/biodiesel/Ecopure_index.html

and also live action footage is available on You Tube, please follow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zfRKkJzHcU

For further infomration on open days please see
http://www.filtertechnik.co.uk/biodiesel/opendayform.htm
where a location map and further details of how to find us are included

I use Ecopure to purify my homemade bio, I will say at this point I have no ties to Filtertechnik, but I find their Ecopure to be far easier to use than either Magnesol or Ion Exchange Resins, provoded you adhere to the manufactures guidelines.

The results speak for themselves, I purify my bio without having to precondition a Resin or mix Magnesol with my bio, I`ve tried both and find that the Ecopure is in my opinion far superior to both, YES it looks like wood shavings but there is a LOT MORE to it than that, people only see what they want to, and most of the time no one mentions the "little white balls".

regards stumpy

could be functional could be smoke and mirrors. They seem to admit it is wood in cpt post. Nothing obvious to say wood shavings alone wouldn't work. Some have tried it and had good results.

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Originally posted by Ant:
could be functional could be smoke and mirrors. They seem to admit it is wood in cpt post. Nothing obvious to say wood shavings alone wouldn't work. Some have tried it and had good results.

No kidding:

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/albumcomments/...9605551/m/3081055582

I think Stumpy uses it or has used it, so he's the guy to ask. From what he's said its good stuff.

PS - duh, I just saw his September post just a couple of entries up

Eco2Pure = Red Oak Chips from a furniture factory in the UK.
They then add some small molecular sieves (not sure what kind or what it is).

Some people have been experimenting with plain old saw dust or wood shavings with great success.

I've had a customer experimenting with wood shavings + Quik N Dri as well & it seems to be working.

The stuff will remove gross soap levels, but it's a BEAST to get out of the column once it's spent (can you say hard, packed, oil soaked log?)

Arbor Biofuels is experimenting with it as well.

One problem with the Eco2Pure is that there's so much dang dust in the stuff when you get it. The dust will plug up small filters really fast (you'd think they could have AT LEAST strained out the really small sawdust particles).

To me it looks like they swept up the factory floor with a broom, bagged it, threw in some molecular sieves (although I've yet to see them in it) and packaged it & called it Eco2Pure & started selling it.

I'd love to see what people outside of Arbor's testing are getting for final soap #'s.

Arbor's doing great research with it, but all the more to join in & test it & do actual soap tests on it (not just shake-em up tests, but actual measurements of the soap) would rock!

Details on how to do a soap test here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7ZCyWUTyw&fmt=18

Good info there Graydon - very interesting. I wasnt aware Ecopure didnt bother to remove the dust.

The days of me buying resin at £15/kg are over. I was thinking of ecopure at some stage bad i'll give that a miss too and stick to the sawdust.

Regarding soap content I'm satisfied that if its undetectable in the shake-up test its good enough for my car.

Lastly, I suspected that compaction would be a problem. I have my flow thru the shavings in the normal direction, ie flowing from the bottom up thru it, which shouldn't compress it as a downflow would.

I just read the MSDS for Eco2Pure and the document states the product is nothing more than "loose wood dust" and "Crystalline aluminosilicate". The later, I believe to be the molecular sieve.

For those who have been discussing the dust factor of Eco2Pure...(to a point) the smaller the dust the more surface area to come in contact with the biodiesel.

Graydon, Can you confirm that Eco2Pure is made from Red Oak?

I'll have to confirm it again, but I'm pretty sure that's what the Eco2Pure folks told Biodiesel Experts International a while back.

-Graydon

Hi, all.
Sounds like you're getting close to emulating this stuff.
'Bet you could decode the Colenel's Secret Recipe of 11 herbs and spices.

Q; To those whom have used or seen Ecopure,

Shavings, sawdust, chips...What type of tool do you think most likely created the particle size?
From fine to corse, you could use a tablesaw, chainsaw and then a planer.

Curious,
Brian

FYI
There is a live webcast on FEB 13th (yes Friday the 13th) by Eco2Pure to show new units and how to use the media. If you are interested follow these instructions.

To join the webcast, go to
www.budgetconferencing.com/fastweb/join
Click on the button next to "Join a web conference (participant)" and enter the following information:

Participant Code: 990377
Name, company, and e-mail and then click "Join"

To join the audio portion dial:
1-866-212-0875 (United States)
1-866-212-7554 (Canada)

Punch in the passcode when prompted: 990377

Enjoy

I picked up a free 7.5kg bucket of ecopure from a defunct bioproducer. It is coarse sawdust with shavings that are no more than tiny curls. I don't know enough to say what tool created them but I would guess a tablesaw or a router might have.

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no more than tiny curls.

A planner?

I think a planner is a person, a planer is a machine that smoothes rough timber etc

Good point

My girl is a planner! Maybe I can get her to make some tiny red oak curls and there'll be validation for all...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Talked to a mate about it and he reckoned it might be a thickness planer. He said you don't get the big papery shavings, I associate with planing, when you plane oak. Rather you get the tiny curls and rough shavings in ecopure. Might depend on where you were planing with regards to the grain. I honestly don't know myself. Not a carpenter and only use hand saws and chisels with the ocasional use of the chainsaw. No familiarity with motorised woodworking tools.

A thickness planer, surface planer/jointer will both give you similar results, with variations depending on knife sharpness, straight,spiral, or helical knives, & depth settings. Grain will alter things as well, with planing directly across the grain usually resulting in tear out if the knives aren't sharp enough.

I've been following these Ecopure related threads with interest and planning on planing (I promise that's the last time) some scrap stock to experiment with chip size. Thoughts regarding optimal size, thickness & surface area?

In that vein, for polishing the bd, any thoughts as to wrapping ultra-long/fine, fairly wide shavings around filter elements in sequential canisters? The table saw can make paper thin shavings up to ~6" wide and as long as the stock, but I can't bear to waste everything in between. As Ant mentions, the only other way I can think of making even finer shavings is to do it by hand, which is fast becoming an attractive option. This might provide for greater porosity & surface area w/o packing up a filter element???