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The cheapest type of UK hot water cylinders have a domed top, which for our needs would be better at the bottom.
This can make it awkward to mount. ******************************* !!! DO NOT Pressurise a copper water Tank !!! !!! You MUST have a vent in the tank as described here and never block or close the vent !!! ******************************* Important: BioDiesel production involves hazardous chemicals and processes, which can be lethal or seriously damaging to health, property and the environment if proper care is not taken. It is your responsibility to protect yourself, those around you and the environment from harm. Failure to take the proper precautions could result in death, serious injury, loss of property, prosecution. Do not attempt any of these procedures if you are not familiar with Hazardous Material handling procedures and regulations, electrical installation regulations and proper procedures, local environmental protection bylaws etc. This process is intended for people who are experienced in the safe and responsible handling of the materials and equipment used in BioDiesel production. Here's my setup, shown during its build, which uses 18mm external ply, cut to the shape of the dome. This is really light and compact, and solid too, no problems with pipes and joints being stressed when you operate the valves.  A couple of 2" x 3" upright stilts act as the main support, and the 22mm pipework is secured to the ply with screw-on pipe clamps. The uprights can then be secured to your wall with batons. The tank was eventually secured with webbing straps, nailed to the uprights. Remember to take out the sacrificial anode from the base of the cylinder or you'll end up with white sludge and bits of aluminium or magnesium in your brew. This tank is around 120 litres and you should have no trouble finding one at your local council tip. The final setup I used is here [ PS. I've moved the pump down to the lowest part of the vertical tube, makes priming much easier. With a 5% water pre-wash, there is no problem with glycerol jamming the pump. Just recirculate the BD again after you drain the glycerol, to dilute any remaining traces within the bulk of the BD. ] This message has been edited. Last edited by: GrahamLaming, Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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That looks pretty tidy!!!
You've nearly convinced me not to bother make oil drum reactors Have you got a photo of the finished item??? (With everything in place) just for reference!!! 9bar |
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I'm new to biodiesel and I've been looking for a uk version of the appleseed processor. I'd all but given up and was seriously considering the foolmeister system.... thank goodness I did a little more research before jumping in! The version shown here looks eminently do-able - however, I how a few queries.... I know the appleseed system uses a stainles steel water tank for the reactor. Are there any issues associated with the copper cylinder used in Graham's design? I notice the pump is situated mid-way up the rig rather than at the lowest point.. is there a problem priming it - or is it self-priming? I'm thinking of using one of these tanks from screwfix. Will this do the job? Sorry for all the questions but thanks in advance. Cheers Nick (24/7) |
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Hi Nick
I haven't had any issues with the copper so far. I changed some of the pipe recently, to move the filter tank. The inside of the brass and copper tube looked OK to me, a little dull, but nothing that shouted corrosion to me. But see my comments at the end, copied from an earlier post, about removing the corrosion-prone anode from the tank. The pump is not self priming. I put it up there to keep it out of the glycerol layer when settling. The layer of oil in the fully charged filter/raw storage tank comes above the pump, so this primes it. Then the pump just drags oil thru until the filter tank is empty. The pump is a little weedy Grundfoss 15/50 I got on ebay brand new for £25.00 Does the job OK, but I need to feed the Meth in really slowly or I get too much Meth vs. oil concentration in the pump pipework and I've noticed this can affect the quality of end result. You really want to trickle the Meth in very slowly, I find. I'd like to get a beefier pump - anyone know of an easy to find cheap version in UK? The US Clear Water types look much more chunky. Here's my earlier post from another part of the forum, about the anode... I'll get some more photos taken over the Xmas break, it's a little cramped in the shed, so difficult to get good pics...
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Hi Graham welcome to the forum,
machine mart do nice pumps http://www.machinemart.co.uk/ranges.asp?g=122&r=2158 Nice set up you have, and I too have no problems to report with my copper processor and washtank in over a year of use. Chug ************************* 1996 Transit Tipper 1991 Mercedes 709D 1994 Citroen ZX 1.9TD engine now in peugeot 306D ************************* http://www.biofuel-uk.net/ The Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial http://www.biodieselcommunity.org |
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So a copper cylinder it is then!
Re the pump, is this the one you mean? £29.95+VAT  A slight modification to the plumbing whould be needed as the in and out are not in-line, nothing major though. Thanks for sharing your knowledge guys, looks like I'm gonna be busy over the Christmas break  .Cheers Nick  pump.jpg (9 KB, 102 downloads) |
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yes 1 inch TAM 105 is the one . Chug ************************* 1996 Transit Tipper 1991 Mercedes 709D 1994 Citroen ZX 1.9TD engine now in peugeot 306D ************************* http://www.biofuel-uk.net/ The Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial http://www.biodieselcommunity.org |
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Hi Chug & Nick
Thanks for the info on the pump. That's my Christmas pressie to me sorted ... I'll get one to transfer WO from storage barrels to the filter drum, instead of using buckets. If it has better flow rate than the Grundfoss, I'll get another for the recirculator. How does it cope with the reaction liquid Chug? I see it states for clean water use. I'll probably then use the grundfoss to feed the washed oil to the dryer, and then to recirculate in the dryer - no need for much speed there. Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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Yes, people use these pumps as their mixing pump for the biodiesel reaction without problems.
Chug ************************* 1996 Transit Tipper 1991 Mercedes 709D 1994 Citroen ZX 1.9TD engine now in peugeot 306D ************************* http://www.biofuel-uk.net/ The Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial http://www.biodieselcommunity.org |
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Machine Mart have none in stock but are hoping for their next delivery in min Jan.
I bit the bullet and bought the next one up in their range (About £58) which seems a great little pump. |
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Same in the Nottingham store - though they told me that the TAM105 was discontinued by Clarke. I bought the last CEB102 in the store - 58.69GBP - ouch! It does state in the blurb that the pump is intended for clean water only - at between 0 and 40 centigrade. Oh well, fingers crossed
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Just discovered this from the journeytoforever site....
northern tools £26.96 + VAT and in stock according to the website  |
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Northern tools - are in the South???
Portsmouth to be exact That's handy  9bar |
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That Clarke TAM 105 is EACTLY the same pump as most people here use. We get it from Habor Freight or Northern Tools as the 1" Clear Water Pump. Exact same critter.
It is not self priming but if you put your oil feed above the outlet port's height and leave an air vent open at the top of the reactor it will prime the pump by gravity. This is the way I've been doing it for two years now, works great.  **My reactor/processor :B100WH.com ** Video of my system **The Colaborative Biodiesel Tutorial **B100 Heated Winter System ** Biodiesel Glycerine Soap - Make & sell soap from Biodiesel Glycerine |
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Graham - You will have to get a parts list together and the we can all take it to the local 'Plumb Centre' and look like plumbers and not get stung (like we usually do when trying to ask for something we don't know the proper name of)
I know this happens as I am an electrician and have seen many a victim in the electrical wholesalers where I frequent 9bar |
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Hi 9bar
Will do. I'll put together a list of all parts, where I sourced them from and prices. I'll have it posted before the end of the year. I'm sure I'll get a minor heart murmur when I've added it all up, but I'm sure the returns have been worth it. Works great and has been fun to make and run. And I'm pretty sure all parts can be found cheaper - I was just in such a rush to get producing I didn't shop around as much as I should have. I'll take some photos of the final setup, too, as the basic 'work-in-progress' frame I posted at the start of this thread was simply to give another idea for mounting a typical UK tank upside down. Things have changed a fair bit now that it's up an running, as always.  Rover 75 + Skoda Fabia on B100 http://www.graham-laming.com Bicycle on G100 12,000 miles p.a. ( http://tinyurl.com/krppyc ) |
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Nice one!!!
I look forward to confusing the hell out of the counter staff at my local 'Plumb Centre' when they ask what I'm going to be doing with it all (LOL) 9bar |
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@ Graham... I very much look forward to seeing the pictures of your rig as I'm just about to put mine together.
I sourced most of the bits from Screwfix, including the reaction tank. The pump is from machinemart. Reckon I've spent about £250 so far. What I have in mind is to build a low shelf/table high enough to allow 25 litre containers underneath. The tanks will stand on the shelf leaving room underneath for running off the by-product and for storage of the soon-to-be-numerous (I hope!) storage cans. I have a source of WVO - just need to source the meth. Nick |
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Have you tried http://www.yell.com Just enter your postcode and solvent suppliers as a search and hey presto!!! If you can't find any just try chemical suppliers - If they don't do it they will probably know someone who does 9bar |
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