I have the business plan, I have the knowlage, I have the perfect site, I have customers waiting, I have lots of contacts but the bank won't lend me the money i need to set up my plant can anybody help me?. I am looking for investors or even a loan. The company is ready to go.

Mr. Mad Cat,

I think you need a little more info if you seriously expect someone to partner with you.

According to your account, you registered TODAY.
You've listed a "hotmail" account (not tied to a business or a domain).

You have not listed a location. So... are you expecting an active partner, or a partner that just fronts you money that a bank already thinks is a poor risk?

Oh, I see it is listed under UK Biodiesel. So, are you in the UK? Where? That will make some difference, but I would assume, like in the USA, there are local and national small business & environmental incentive programs that you need to pursue.

How big of a business?
How many customers?
Commercial customers?
Wholesale customers?
Retail Customers?
What is your oil source, and do you already have the oil source tied up?
Are you planning to make your equipment?
Are you planning to purchase your equipment?
How many gallons a month are you planning on starting production with?
Are you planning on selling B100, or blends?
Markup?

Check your state/Local Government for "Small Business" programs.

Oregon has small business loans that bypass much of the paperwork required by banks, and essentially pay part of the income of the loans back into a "risk pool". I assume that other governments do something similar.

There may also be some Government grants grands and loans available, especially with the environmental sector. You just need to do some footwork to find them.

Nothing beets a good website to show the world what you have in mind.

----- CK -----

Oh,
One last thought.
If you are an investor.
Go talk to the business owner "in person".
Look at the property.
Verify any ownership/leases of the business property.
Check out the business.
If there are existing contacts (suppliers/customers), then talk to them yourself, and verify commitments.
Verify the feasibility of the plan.
Make sure you have accounting and audits in place.
Carefully review all contracts.
And monitor progress in the business development (in person).

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Originally posted by mrmadcat:
I have the knowlage,

Oh...
One other thing...
You have to be professional...
And prove to people that you actually have the KNOWLEDGE that you are talking about.

A few little letters can make a HUGE difference in how people interpret your plans. And, since your computer undoubtedly has a spell-checker, USE IT.

Thanks for your reply to my post. The situation is this, I have been involved in bio diesel for the last three years on a part time basis, so that I could gain the knowlage that I need to set up this busines. I have set up a Uk limited company based in Lincolnshire UK. I am looking for somone to play an active part in the busines and buy a share, I have been registered on this forum for a couple of years but a recent computer crash wiped all my loging info and I couldn't remember my login. The busines I am looking to set up will have a capacity to produce at least 15000 litres a week as I currently have customers for 10000 litres a week. As we all know capacity can then be increased with demand if you have the resorces, ie feed stock and chemicals of which I do have access to increasing amounts. The UK government will not loan to small busines start ups even if they are "green" despite what they say, I have spent countless hours filling out forms and talking on the telephone to variouse government departments and seem to go round and round in circles, I guess that is UK politics for you (is it any easier in the US). I will get this busines up and running, the reason I am now looking for investors is that I feel the time is right to establish this busines in this area but due to working full time cannot comit as much of my time as I would like to getting it started. The UK banks are unwilling to lend money to small business at the moment due to the current financial situation in the UK. I am more than willing to meet with potencial investors to discuse my busines plan with them if they would like a copy of my plan I will make it availiable to them.

Well, Have you got a Firm and fully secure OIL SUPPLY sourced yet??

Figure on at least 15-20 THOUSAND Litres Per Week, or it aint worth thinking about....

Dont even Think of investing even a tenner if you cant get the oil supply sorted FIRST, with firm Contracts in Place and guaranteed pricing for 6 months (Which will be neigh-on impossible!!....)

Dont think the big-boys (A+B, C+D Agri etc) will sell you oil 'on the cheap'--Most are very shrude operators and will charge you the going rate IF you are Extremely lucky, and a premium price if you are just 'lucky'--These guys Do Not Like BioDiesel operations....

IF you've been involved with Commercial BioDiesel for the last three years, then you'll know that the costs of just the Licencing (Environmental-Permit) are very high, and in addition, you must comply with HSE guidelines on plant design and all current safety/fire/local authority regulations.

This is not in any way a get-rich-quick, or cottage Hippie industry. Its a very serious business Gotta be done Properly!

Any fool can make biodiesel. But Proper, and Good Quality BioDiesel to the required standard needed for today's cars is difficult to turn out day in day out.

--Worth remembering that every customer's car potentially will cost several hundred if not thousands of pounds to sort out if You supply Them with cruddy fuel, and the common-rail injection-system stuffs up....

I have been in this business for over 5 years commercially so know a few things. Have you not tried to apply for Grants to set up?--Normally 'Match-Funding'

These ARE available, but you have to be in the right area. Check your local 'regeneration grants for your locality...

Personally, I cant see any business-angels or individuals investing currently in what is a precarious business at the best of times, with Bio producers closing daily due to lack of reasonable quality and priced oil....

Thanks for your reply The answer is yes to the oil supply. I am hoping to import Jatropha oil as well if I can find enough buyers ate the right price. It is sad that the big players in the bio diesel industry don't like small producers as we will be of great help to them when they need to buy RTFC,s. The other thing is with all the red tape in small comercial production the government will not get anywhere near its RTFO by 2012 so we can all expect to pay for there non comitment to small producers, We are likly to be fined millions of Euros for not reaching our obligation.

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Originally posted by mrmadcat:
Thanks for your reply The answer is yes to the oil supply. I am hoping to import Jatropha oil as well if I can find enough buyers ate the right price. It is sad that the big players in the bio diesel industry don't like small producers as we will be of great help to them when they need to buy RTFC,s. The other thing is with all the red tape in small comercial production the government will not get anywhere near its RTFO by 2012 so we can all expect to pay for there non comitment to small producers, We are likly to be fined millions of Euros for not reaching our obligation.

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HJmm, Jatropha oil.....

Beware of scammers world-wide....

Get samples to test and make fuel with first. Jatropha is high in acid-number, and will be tricky to work with for the less experienced...But Good luck with it....


.............."It is sad that the big players in the bio diesel industry don't like small producers.........."


Its not 'BioDiesel' Co's you will be dealing with, Its Oil Collection/recyclers--VERY different set of animals.....

Concerning the RTFO and the blubberment--Do They Really Care??--I think NOT,--We will fail the targets and have pay the fines and the blokie in the street will pay more taxes for the on-going years. Nothing really changes except Brussels gets fatter off of us, while imposing ever more daft rules/regs and moves goal-posts with regards commercial production just to get ever more dosh outta us!!


Yup, I'm a cynical old git, but been proved right in the past--Unfortunately!