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Looks like its out with religion and in with science...
 I am not an American but the USA are my brothers and things are starting to sound promising down there again... Go Obama! Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the Earth Jon |
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What? no support for our 2nd ammendment. I would also support Obama if I was on the receiving end of our past and future bailout money. But I am on the working end so I get a little p****d at this whole bailout crap from both Presidents.
2001 F350 Powerstroke B100 8000+ miles Super Chips 2004 VW Passat TDI, B50-B80 |
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If the .gov were not spending this money you would not be on the working end any more, none of us would, but I do believe there should be alot more accountability |
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The whole bailout thing stinks to high heaven ....The automakers can't manage their finances but being as big as they are they have a sizeable impact on the economy . So we will toss them big chucks off money to help the lossers out of trouble. What about Joe Blow that tries to make a go of a sole proprietership and is forced out due to high health insurance costs,worker comp and other rip-offs what kind of bail-out is he entitled to? It isn't a level playing field for the American people.
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Personally I think automobiles are over-inflated and the dealerships charge over inflated prices for repairs. So by providing bailout money we maintain inflated prices.
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Feeling a little verbose tonight welder?  I meant religious fundamentals in the American governments administration. In my opinion and in the opinion of those who wrote the U.S. constitution (at least that's what I have been told I have never read the Constitution) religious beliefs have no place in government or in the governance of any people or things.
I disagree, a realist may not agree with abortions but would know they are going to happen anyways, so why not use the embryonic stem cells that would be discarded otherwise? There is no hypocrisy in that thinking. And by the way a fetus is not a person or people as you say... its a fetus...
HUH?? Those are some wacky statements there! Again a fetus is not a woman, and it has no rights... Its a fetus and does not understand ANYTHING let alone what rights are. To think that a fetus should have rights is ridiculous in my opinion. Its funny you state this in one breath and then call abortion murder?? Guess what, we have the word abortion because abortion and murder are also two different things...
Try asking a fetus to make a decision?? The only part of a fetus that can make decisions is the person its growing in. And that's the way it should stay in my opinion.
Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc... Are all fear based religions that have many similarity's and have NO place in Government. I do agree with some of your opinions regarding drugs and addict policy's, however I fear we will never be able to agree on opinions of religion or abortion so lets just agree to disagree eh! Peace bro! I was just excited to see science being held in a higher regard than during the Bush administration, not looking to start a big debate. Jon |
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LOL! you will have to excuse my ignorance on your system down there! I had to look up what your second amendment is! It appears its your right to bear arms? Is Obama apposed to this? Jon |
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yes he does.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm I forgot that u were a little north of us. My fault. 2001 F350 Powerstroke B100 8000+ miles Super Chips 2004 VW Passat TDI, B50-B80 |
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I too am happy that the new Pres and his gang claim to be "evidence based". Good science is not easy, but the results are worth it. Keep in mind it hard to imagine a sentence that contains both religion and science that would not spark debate. |
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Most liberals as a general rule are opposed to citizens owning handguns, folks like Rosie ODoughnuts, although she likely has armed men peotecting her from the unwashed masses. the second ammendment is the most important few lines in the Constitution, it gives citizens the capability to just say NO in the event of an out of control government, individuals who are allowed to own guns and keep them in their homes are full citizens, anyone else is a subject, subject to the whims of whatever government may be in power at the time. |
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While it may not be written into the constitution, I seem to remember the Pledge of Allegiance using the phrase "One nation idivisible under God". By the way, I support seperation of church & state within reason. I'm curious how you feel about accepting people into north America who's religion has been involved in acts of terror globally. Many would argue that Islam is a religion of inclusiveness & peace, and that acts of Jihadist terror are committed by fringe nutbars who's acts don't represent the true heart of Islam or the majority of its inherants. Even if that were true, (doubtful based on their full history) the Muslim world seems to be happy to ignore the atrocities committed by their zealous brethren, while declaring that Christians are murderous killers because Bush pretended to be Christian in order to get gullible American Christians to vote his sociopathic ass into office. If you ask an American Muslim if they support Jihadist terror, they will likely say no. If one of them asks another one the same question, they would likely get very different answer... My point being that while they are outnumbered here, they will wear a very peacefull mask in public, but amongst their own, they are free to "let it all hang out". Watch how fast that changes once they outnumber us here. (The global Muslim population is growing faster than us westerners. We live for pleasure, they live for Allah) Should we keep importing them? |
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When am I ever not? (After all everyone's entitled to MY opinion!!! LOL) |
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Yes, there IS hypocrissy in that reasoning. That's like saying something like: Drug addicts will continue to buy drugs whether I sell it or not, so I may as well make some money off their destruction." By the way, fetuses ARE human. Their DNA is HUMAN. They feel pain. Under unjustifiable circumstances, abortion IS murder. I'm not talking about some little piece of snot shaped like a cashew that just happens to have human DNA, I'm talking about older HUMANS that just happen to fall below the age at which our current errant law defines abortion as murder. It it were your ass getting sucked up into a small stainless steel tube, you'd change your opinion in a damn hurry... |
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Fetuses are able to recognise their mothers voice. They don't know anything? Have you ever asked one if they have a survival instinct? Ever asked one if they feel physical or emotional sensation? They have no advocate that can quote their opinion on this subject, which allows sociopathic butchers to tell the public that they don't feel the scaplel slicing them open or the saline solution dissolving their skin. |
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Arguing semantics wont save your argument. I used a logical explanation of why suicide is not murder (sane consent). Unless you can post an overpowering argument to defeat my argument, you have lost, whether you have the maturity to admit it or not. Do you actually have a logical argument strong enough to defeat mine? |
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A pregnant mother is part of a fetus? Maybe you should stop before you hurt yourself... |
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"let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" The Christian Church instigated and approved the conquest of the Americas, the Crusades, and the Inquisition. All of those were "acts of terror globally" I'm guessing that the indigenous people of the Americas would have preferred that the Christian terrorists had stayed in Europe. |
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You might be interested in the "under god" addition and its connection to the Knights of Columbus and McCarthyism.
Hopefully this doesn't come off as nit picky. Though I agree with the overall statement, AFAIK Buddhism shouldn't be included in the fear based category - at least not in its originally intended state historically. Admittedly, portions have changed in Buddhism's travels through time and different cultural influences. And lest I be too much of a wuss in a political section, I don't subscribe to any religion, nor the absence of them or things spiritual in nature. It's simple: I don't know, and neither do you. I'm perfectly fine with not knowing why we exist. That doesn't mean I cannot, do not, and will not strive to find an answer; only that I don't have one, and neither does anyone else. Many claim to know, but they're lying. What they have is a belief that they know something factual in the absence of objective proof. My morality isn't based on religion or any absolutes. It is based on our collective ability to cognate in shades of grey - glad that lines of demarcation can be drawn with broad strokes in simple situations, and hopeful that complicated situations are left to those more capable than me so that I might learn. I grew up attending Presbyterian church and Buddhist temple, and was told to make up my own damn mind. I did. I don't know. That said, once again, none of us do. (Hey, maybe Jesus, Buddha, et al did.) So why don't people spend more time trying to differentiate between good and bad instead of right vs. wrong? To paraphrase what a nun-once-ex-nun said, "It seems that if people arrived in heaven and didn't get to look over the edge into the depths of hell and see others burning, they'd be disappointed." Politics needs objective reasoning devoid of rhetoric from any source. Unfortunately, it's never occurred and I don't see it happening anytime soon. After all, we're only human... Wonder what the aliens would say...? |
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Although some of what you are referring to was done by churches claiming to be of a Christian Protestant nature, the bulk of "the conquest" was done by the Vatican, which has no real Christian heritage. A quick study of their history, from the beginning until now, proves this. AND The main difference between Jihadist terrorists and Christian terrorists (nice misnomer, by the way) is that the pilgrims weren't off killing natives for God. They were building an empire. It was political warfare, not religious warfare. That may be a small distinction in your mind, but it's a crucial one. Remember, Jesus told his followers to preach His Gospel (of Loving Redemption), not to kill non believers. Therefore, those who disobeyed this edict to slaughter "heathens" were NOT CHRISTIANS. As Jesus said "a tree shall be known by its fruit, good tree=good fruit-bad tree=bad fruit. |
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