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Whether or not the US population is shrinking or growing isn't the issue. Read the subject line!!! Don't bother arguing inconsequential details, that's just a distraction, and not the point of the discussion.
Got it now?

China's population is growing faster and China is a lot more crowded and the people in China with money are going to buy more property in the US so they can move here.
A lot of America's middle class will join the poor class, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.



 
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Whether or not the US population is shrinking or growing isn't the issue. Read the subject line!!! Don't bother arguing inconsequential details, that's just a distraction, and not the point of the discussion.
Got it now?

China's population is growing faster and China is a lot more crowded and the people in China with money are going to buy more property in the US so they can move here.
A lot of America's middle class will join the poor class, as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.


China's population is not growing faster than the US, John. It is growing at about half the rate of the US.

Got it now?

Since you used this point as the basis of your original, non-biodiesel politics based post, I thought you must have found it relevant to the point you were trying to make. It appears that your "facts" become "inconsequential details" as soon as they are refuted. Nice.

It seems that when any of us question your "facts" we're in for a scolding. I, for one, welcome the diversity of cultures that define our nation. A "takeover" by the Chinese might just be the answer to our country's woes.


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A "takeover" by the Chinese might just be the answer to our country's woes.

That could very well be true. Some would argue that it couldn't be much worse than the present situation.



 
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China's population density only rates around number 80, there are many areas in China that are sparsely populated.
When I toddle off to my retirement village does that really mean there will not be any US citizens looking for a nice house to buy. The US "legal" population is growing.
Has the US government created a special immigration class for "Rich and Middle class Chinese" who want to come to the USA and conquer it by buying up all the nice homes?
Will these rich and Middle class Chinese be employed by the Chinese Government specifically to Conquer America by buying up all the nice homes?
How many million Rich and middle class Chinese will need to buy homes in the USA to conquer it? There are an awful lot of very nice homes in the USA. "McMansions"
If the Chinese "Conquer" America will the American population know they have been conquered?
Why would a rich or middle class Chinese want to live in the USA anyway, almost no one speaks Chinese

To Whom Does the US Government owe Money

42.2%- US individuals and instututions
17.9%- Social Security Trust Fund
6%- US civil Service Retirement Fund
2.1%- US military Retirement Fund
7.5%- China and Hong Kong
6.4%- Japan
3.4%- United Kingdom
1.3%- Brazil
11.6%- All other nations
1.6%- Oil exporters
 
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Population density statistics can be very misleading.

Population density China: 139 people/km²
About 28 percent of China is covered by desert and that amount of desert in China is getting larger every year. Deserts are being created faster in China than anywhere else in the world, with old deserts expanding and new deserts being formed.

corrected population density China: 193 people/km²

Population density America: 32 people/km²
About 4.6 percent of America is covered by desert including Alaska and Hawaii.

corrected population density America: 33 people/km²



The Current Outstanding Public Debt of the United States is:

$14,345,524,862,360.08

Last Updated: Thursday, May 19th, 2011 (updated daily)
http://www.davemanuel.com/us-national-debt-clock.php

Every man, woman and child in the United States currently owes $47,216 for their share of the U.S. public debt





Public Debt: $9,708,669,803,594.86
Intragovernmental Holdings: $4,636,855,058,765.22

Total U.S. National Debt: $14,345,524,862,360.08


Who owns the public debt?

Mutual funds, pension funds, foreign governments, foreign investors, American investors, etc.


The Top 10 Foreign governments owning the most U.S. debt
(as of Mar/2011)

1. China, Mainland, $1144.9 billion dollars
2. Japan, $907.9 billion dollars
3. United Kingdom, $325.2 billion dollars
4. Oil Exporters*, $222.3 billion dollars
5. All Other, $199.1 billion dollars
6. Brazil, $193.5 billion dollars
7. Taiwan, $156.1 billion dollars
8. Carib Bnkng Ctrs**, $154.8 billion dollars
9. Russia, $127.8 billion dollars
10. Hong Kong, $122.1 billion dollars

*Includes oil exporting countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran

**includes countries such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands

Of the $4.3 trillion dollars of US debt that is owned by foreign governments, China and Japan own nearly half.



 
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Japan has a much higher population density than China at 337/sq km and hold only slightly less US debt than China. Japan probably has a larger middle class and rich class than China too. Are you afraid that Japan will try to Conquer America too?

More to the point, can you explain how these millions of Chinese will be given "Green Cards" by the US government to come and conquer the USA. Or is the Chinese Government building hundreds of ocean going landing craft and one wind-swept night they will sneak up to a deserted beach somewhere along the Eastern Seaboard and disgorge all these millions of wealthy and middle class Chinese who are going to conquer the USA.

Germany and the UK also have a much higher population density than the USA. Should we be concerned about their intentions of Conquest?
 
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That naivety is amusing. China 'owns' the US, MalWart shoppers have ensured that. The amount of money the US govt owes China is just a drip in the bucket compared with the billions that US consumers have sent to China for cheap disposable import crap. Cheap foreclosed US real estate is the only thing worthwhile that the wealthy Chinese can spend their burgeoning surplus of rapidly devaluing US dollars on. Follow the money do a little research of your own.

The US government has been a Chinese puppet since the Chinese bankrolled the US mercenary invasion of Iraq.

I'm not 'afraid' of anything. You're jumping to conclusions you infer from nothing that was implied.

You can be concerned about whatever you want. Lower 48 American paranoia is of no consequence to those of us on the Last Frontier in the Land of the Midnight Sun.



 
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Vancouver Housing Prices Pass New York and London as Chinese ‘Move’ In
http://nexuscanada.blogspot.co...s-pass-new-york.html
By TraderMark May 17, 2011

Quite a fascinating article in Bloomberg, as it seems the recent clampdown on property in China has led many to head east (well …..to the “west”) spiking the already red hot Vancouver housing market. One that already had the warning flags last summer. One (of a myriad) of reasons you could see the U.S. housing market getting out of control was the complete disassociation between median incomes and housing prices. To say this has happened as well in Canada – and especially Vancouver – is an understatement. That said, they have the same very loose monetary policy, and an influx of buyers – many of them cash – from outside the country itself, so it is definitely setting up an interesting scenario. One wonders what happens when their central bank actually begins to raise rates in earnest.
At this point, using the measure above (median household income to median price), Vancouver is now more expensive than New York or London. And I am sure a lot less investment bankers work there, than in either of those 2 locales.
Some of the growth measures in this story seem nearly impossible – looks like some mass herding effect out of China and into Canada…
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Vancouver’s Royal Pacific Realty had such a surge of business during the first two weeks of February that agents and assistants worked day and night shifts to find homes for Chinese buyers visiting during the Lunar New Year. “It was unprecedented,” said Royal Pacific Chief Executive Officer David Choi.
Sales of detached homes, townhouses and condominiums in metropolitan Vancouver jumped 70 percent in February from January, to 3,097 units from 1,819, and were up 25 percent from a year earlier. In March, sales climbed 32 percent from February. Sales increased by 80 percent from two years ago.
Buyers from mainland China are leading a wave of Asian investment in Vancouver real estate as China tries to damp property speculation at home. Good schools, a marine climate and the large, established Asian community as a result of Canada’s liberal immigration policy make Vancouver attractive, said Cathy Gong, who moved from Shanghai to the Shaughnessy neighborhood on Vancouver’s Westside about three years ago.
China, where home prices rose 28 percent in Beijing and 26 percent in Shanghai last year, has taken steps to curb property speculation within its borders. Premier Wen Jiabao placed curbs on mortgage lending, boosted down-payment requirements and limited the number of purchases.


...and this is just the start. Canada is just a stepping stone to the USofA.



 
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Since 2008 the American economy just hasn't been the same.



 
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Obviously the real way to conquer a superpower is to convince them that they need to spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined.

And then convince them that they need to enter into every local squabble that exists... and when there aren't enough squabbles, to stir up trouble on their own.

Eventually their own military will bankrupt them.
 
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I totally agree with John Galt. I am sure the Chinese have nothing short of total conquest of the USA in their sight.
Just the other day I was walking through the local mega mall and through the constant background din of Spanish jabbering I distinctly heard someone talking Chinese. Well that just floored me. So I had a good look around and there, located between the "Buritos Amigos" and the "Mexicali Rose" Cafe's,was a New Chinese Restaurant.

What has the world come to?
 
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China Wants To Construct A 50 Square Mile Self-Sustaining City South Of Boise, Idaho


End of the American Dream – June 8, 2011


Thanks to the trillions of dollars that the Chinese have made flooding our shores with cheap products, China is now in a position of tremendous economic power. So what is China going to do with all of that money? One thing that they have decided to do is to buy up pieces of the United States and set up “special economic zones” inside our country from which they can continue to extend their economic domination. One of these “special economic zones” would be just south of Boise, Idaho and the Idaho government is eager to give it to them. China National Machinery Industry Corporation (Sinomach for short) plans to construct a “technology zone” south of Boise Airport which would ultimately be up to 50 square miles in size. The Chinese Communist Party is the majority owner of Sinomach, so the 10,000 to 30,000 acre “self-sustaining city” that is being planned would essentially belong to the Chinese government. The planned “self-sustaining city” in Idaho would include manufacturing facilities, warehouses, retail centers and large numbers of homes for Chinese workers. Basically it would be a slice of communist China dropped right into the middle of the United States.

According to the Idaho Statesman, the idea would be to build a self-contained city with all services included. It would be modeled after the “special economic zones” that currently exist in China.

Perhaps the most famous of these “special economic zones” is Shenzhen. Back in the 1970s, Shenzhen was just a very small fishing village. Today it is a sprawling metropolis of over 14 million people.

If the Chinese have their way, we will soon be seeing these “special economic zones” pop up all over the United States.

So exactly who is “Sinomach”?

The following description of the company comes directly from the website of Sinomach….

With approval of the State Council, China National Machinery Industry Corporation (SINOMACH) was established in January 1997. SINO-MACH is a large scale, state-owned enterprise group under the supervision of the State Assets Supervision and Administration Commission.

As you can see, Sinomach is basically an arm of the Chinese government.

The borrower is always the servant of the lender, and now China is buying up America.

The reality is that Sinomach is not looking only at Idaho. Sinomach is in discussions to develop “special economic zones” all over the United States.

Sinomach has recently dispatched delegations to Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania to explore the possibility of establishing “special economic zones” in those states.

Will such “self-contained communities” soon start appearing from coast to coast?

According to Dr. Jerome Corsi, the U.S. government has already set up 257 “foreign trade zones” across America. These “foreign trade zones” will apparently be given “special U.S. customs treatment” and will be used to promote global free trade….

“The FTZs tend to be located near airports, with easy access into the continental NAFTA and WTO multi-modal transportation systems being created to move free-trade goods cheaply, quickly and efficiently throughout the continent of North America.”

So what do our politicians think about all of this?

Most of them are greatly in favor of it.

“Idaho’s the last state that should say we don’t want to do business with Asia,” Idaho Lt. Gov. Brad Little said last year. “Asia’s where the money is.”

So will all of this “foreign investment” really bring jobs back to the American people?

Perhaps a few, but the truth is that these “special economic zones” that the Chinese are setting up are designed to be self-contained communist Chinese communities. Some Americans will likely be employed in these areas, but not nearly as many as our politicians would have you to believe.

In addition, these “special economic zones” represent a massive national security threat. The communist Chinese could potentially be able to bring in and store massive amounts of military equipment virtually undetected.

In the days of the Cold War, we would have never dreamed of giving the Russians a 50 square mile city in the middle of Idaho.

But today we have become convinced that the communist Chinese want to be our great friends.

The following quote originally appeared in the Idaho Statesman, but has since apparently been taken down….

“The Chinese are looking for a beachhead in the United States,” said Idaho Commerce Secretary Don Dietrich. “Idaho is ready to give them one.”

Indeed.

If relations between the U.S. and China go south someday, we will deeply regret giving China so many open doors.

The truth is that you can never fully trust the communist Chinese. Their top military officers talk about a coming conflict with the United States all the time. China is extremely interested in North America. In fact, the Chinese and the Mexicans have even been holding talks on military cooperation.

But even if you don’t consider the communist Chinese to be a military threat, you should be deeply concerned about the economic implications of what is happening.

Today, tens of millions of Americans are wondering why the economy is so bad.

Well, there are a lot of reasons, but the fact that we have sent China thousands of our factories, millions of our jobs and trillions of dollars of our national wealth is a major contributing factor.

If you do not know the truth about how badly the Chinese economy is wiping the floor with the Americen economy then you need to read this article: “40 Signs The Chinese Economy Is Beating The Living Daylights Out Of The U.S. Economy“.

Beautiful new infrastructure is going up all over China today, and meanwhile many of our once great manufacturing cities are turning into rotted-out war zones.

China would not be what they are today if we had insisted that they abandon the communist system and respect basic human rights before we ever opened up trade with them.

But that did not happen. Instead we enthusiastically welcomed China into the WTO and we let the predatory Chinese system run wild.

In 2010, China had a “current account balance” of over 272 billion dollars, which was the largest in the world.

In 2010, the United States had a “current account balance” of negative 561 billion dollars. According to the CIA world factbook, that put us in last place in the entire world. In fact, our negative current account balance was more than 9 times larger than anyone else in the world. If you go check out this chart it will give you a really good idea of how nightmarish our trade situation has become.

The world is changing and nothing is ever going to be the same again.

Just ask the residents of Boise, Idaho – they are about to have a 50 square mile self-contained communist Chinese city plopped right into their backyard.

Source http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=28042
 
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China conquered America in the aisles of MalWart. kung hei fat choy



 
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