Example Tilly????

I am turning it off now, I must get some sleep as I have court in the morning. I will likely review the new posts tomorrow afternoon. Good Night.

branw said
Example Tilly????

Here is a quick example:
"Saddam did kick them out for a period of time shortly before the war only allowing them back just before the war with LIMITED access. It takes a real naieve person to think that in the time the inspectors were gone that a dictator with virtually unlimited means i.e. UN MONEY FOR FOOD HIGHWAY ROBBERY SCAM, could not hide things in a vast desert the size of California. Not to mention sending the stuff to Syria. Don't forget about the roadside bombs found in Iraq which contained VX gas... a banned weapon of mass destruction for Iraq. I have outlined many other reasons to go to war, this is a moot point. Granted the US had hoped to find wmds to avoid discussions like this but we did not need to. I have many friends who are either in Iraq or have been. To a man, they tell me stories of the people rejoicing that saddam is no longer in power. If Saddam ruled you, and you were criticizing him, you would be dead.
"He was also very scathing about the US for sending hin regularly to places that supposedly were certain sites only to find no traces of anything."
Wow, he was a disgruntled employee who didn't want to DO HIS JOB??? That was his job. We pass along the information we receive and he checks on it. THAT IS WHY HE WAS THERE! The entire UN is a joke. There is so much corruption I wouldn't trust them to find there a$$ with both hands. Let your own country get nuked if you're a bunch of pansies but not me. Just look at all the people caught with their hand in the cookie jar taking bribes from Saddam.
Finally, Terry that Osama video was hillarious. You didn't answer my questions though.

Have to go nighty night now, I have a complicated Operation to perform in Theatre tomorrow.

This is a close-up of the side of WT 7 just before it collapses. It is taken from the Naudet Brothers Documentary 9/11. You will notice the jets of gas (squibs) shooting out of the side of the building. The squibs quickly work their way up the building floor by floor, then the building starts collapsing.

Squibs up the side

The "squibs" only prove my point. The AIR between the floors IS A GAS!!! When the floors fell on top of each other where do you think it went???????????? Use your head sir. The air was shot out the windows.


I will no longer be responding to comments made by Tilly pertaining to this debate as they are not intelligent enough for me to waste my time with.

Tilly when you start to lose the debate you begin the personal attacks. It only makes you look foolish and does nothing to further your cause. In fact it furthers mine by showing that you are not capable of having a real debate, you can only point to a bunch of shady websites full of lies and blatent inaccuracies without any thought whatsoever on your part.

Go ahead, call me a doo-doo head or some other such nonsense.

Hello branw

Do you think we were having a debate?
I can not recall having a debate with you.
Please point out the part of this thread where I was debating you.
Which websites do you think I pointed to?
I have found that people who write incoherent nonsense are not worth the time or effort.

And what ever possesses you to think I would call you a "doo-doo head"?
I never taught Kindy.
I doo-doo notice that your "debating Style" involves calling people names and belittle what they say without presenting any facts.

How was court today?
Did-did you get all the rubbish bins emptied and the urinals scrubbed before people started arriving?

Bad Tilly

I apologize Tilly, after reviewing the thread I realise you are right. You and I were not debating. I must have confused you with someone else. I withdraw my former statement.

However, I have presented multitudes of facts and I don't recall calling anyone a name. I have belittled what they have said though as I gave evidence to show it was untrue and or unfounded. I will try to be nicer. I did not expect you to call me a doo-doo head, that is why I said "or some other such nonsense." I think that implying that I am the Janitor falls under that category.

You are not helping the conspiracy cause at all. Someone once said that it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. But I would never call you stupid.

Re,

quote:

In case you conspiracy theorists haven't noticed, we don't need the aproval of the UK or Austrailia or anyone else to exercise the most powerful military the world has ever seen and it is people like you whom make us not even care what you think. We have the power and we will use it as we see fit. If we feel it is in our best interest to use it, we will

Oh yes, we've noticed.

Neutral wrote,
..I like to think I'm scientific and as such I try to discount all information that might be biased or ambiguous or politically driven. I try to start with things which are indisputable and work from there. It is indisputable that building 7 come down though it was not struck by a plane. How can this be explained..

You replied,
...When the plane crashed, the ensuing explosion followed all available paths including the elevator shafts. Once it reached the bottom of the building it blew the elevator doors and caused massive destruction

I wrote,
...Neutral was asking about building 7, not the two towers. Nothing hit this building. I think it quite logical of him to wonder why this building collapsed, don't you

you replied,
Yes, I do. Please use your reading glasses while in the forum. The link he posted was about WTC-1, the North tower. Maybe he is confused...


It is obvious that I wasn't refering to the link, but to building 7. I don't use reading glasses. If I did I would happily loan them to you.
Re,
..."Who is going to nuke us ?"
When the terrorists start looking for softer targets because America is kicking their a$$, they will find you...

dear boy, we have had terrorists attacks in the Uk for longer than (I suspect) you have been alive. The London bombing was only the latest of a very long series of attacks on our counrty; about 30 years in fact.

What is your view on countries that hold illegal nuclear weapons ?

regards
dva
.

Terry Syd,
It's all your fault.

Mtushmoo'
'don't know what the problem is, but I hope things get sorted out for you. We need you to help keep us on our toes.
regards
dva

Hello branw

Apology accepted.
Why do you feel I should be helping the conspiricy cause?

I do not suggest you are stupid, just young, naive, ill informed and full of testosterone.
I bet you can’t wait to join the military and start killing people.
I recommend you enlist in the Marines so you can do the actual face to face killing for the most powerful military the world has ever seen and go take care of all those dirty pinko commies bastards. dirty terrorists.
And I see you feel being a janitor is below your dignity.

Dva,
That depends on your definition of illegal nuclear weapons.

I Thought that the confusion was cleared up already.... He did indeed specificallly say building 7 but the link right there with it was about tower 1. That has already been addressed and correct. I guess I forgot to apologize for commenting on your eyesight. Sorry. One cannot talk about one thing in a post and then place a link about something else without any explanation and expect it to be clear. Careful guys this could be construed as fogging the issue. Why are we debating a misunderstanding? I have since answered the question.



"..."Who is going to nuke us ?"
When the terrorists start looking for softer targets because America is kicking their a$$, they will find you...

dear boy, we have had terrorists attacks in the Uk for longer than (I suspect) you have been alive. The London bombing was only the latest of a very long series of attacks on our counrty; about 30 years in fact."



Have they been nuking you for 30 years? I beleive that is what I was talking about. Indeed they have been bombing you for 30 years, that is why when they get a nuke they know exactly where they can send it. Do you care? Maybe when your country is a radioactive wasteland you will find America a little more useful. Don't worry though, I'm sure they will take out Israel first.

Tilly,
Being a cancer survivor and having had significant portions of my intestines removed, the military is not an option for me. I will help however I can though even if it's just setting straight some of the myths.

As to your last remark, of course not. Below my abilities yes, but not my dignity. I took your remark to insult my abilities. I should have realized it was a bait. I drove 700 miles to Mississippi a couple of weekends ago and shoveled rancid sludge out of the flooded homes of complete strangers. Try doing that with dignity.

DVA, I've had lots of help -

It costs nothing to be a patriot

I think my point has been lost. Convince me of your position. Show me some real proof. Show me some tangible evidence. I am a reasonable person. Reason with me. Prove me wrong, but use proof to do it. I have seen many references to websites that with even the slightest amount of thought I have proven to be wrong, inaccurate, libel, or just plain lying. By using sources like these, some of you have shown that you will beleive anything as long as it supports your theory without even taking a minute to think about it. If you use a source to prove your point and it is shown that the source is bunk, then you begin to look bunk. I am not against your cause if it is true. I'm sure that if it is true, there will be real proof and evidence out there. Show me the money.


"Solutions are not the answer."
-Richard Nixon, former U.S. President

Hello branw

Bait it was!
Dignity is in the eyes of the beholder.

Interesting that you seem to be so caught up in WMD's, "Nuclear Attacks" and "Radioactive Wastelands"
There were Nuclear weapons and Weapons of Mass destruction used in both Gulf Wars and Kosovo. These were the Depleted Uranium Shells which the USA used in huge numbers that have been devastating to the health for so many of the US soldiers and local civilians exposed to the DU dust.

"In 1996 and 1997, the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva, passed a resolution to ban the use of depleted uranium weapons. The Subcommission adopted resolutions which include depleted uranium weaponry amongst "weapons of mass and indiscriminate destruction, ... incompatible with international humanitarian or human rights law." (Secretary General's Report, 24 June 1997, E/CN. 4/Sub.2/1997/27)"

As you have pointed out, being the Greatest military Power on Earth The USA can do whatever it likes. You don't need to care about what happens to no stinking foreigners.
And it was just bad luck for the US soldiers who have been adversely affected.

Tilly,,
"so caught up"????

Everything I have said about those things has been completely within the context of this debate. Not withstanding, I have made no claim that the US has not used WMDs. Don't forget WWII. I must correct another gross misrepresentation though. Depleted uranium shells are not nuclear weapons.


From The Guardian, a UK newspaper for anyone unfamiliar.

"What is DU and what is it used for?
Depleted uranium is essentially a waste product of nuclear power generation. It is mildly radioactive and, more importantly, immensely dense. It is installed in tank-busting shells, which it helps to punch through even modern high-tech armour.

Does that make the shells nuclear weapons?
Strictly, no. They are classed as conventional munitions. But even so, the heat and blast they generate cause horrific injuries, especially in the confined space of an armoured vehicle. And there are persistent worries about the effects of low-grade radiation, and what the World Health Organisation calls the "chemical toxicity" of the weapons. "


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uranium/story/0,7369,419882,00.html


The US is not the only one who uses them, don't forget the UK.

News Flash!!!!
War sucks. People die. I'm sure it was hazardous to the health of the Japanese kamikaze. Don't worry, I'm sure we will eventually find a way to kill people with no risk to ourselves or civilians. Sounds harsh but it is reality. Some people just need to be killed.



"You don't need to care about what happens to no stinking foreigners."

Yet some how we do. America gives more money and aid to foreign countries than any other nation period. You do not bite the hand that feeds you. Sometimes it bites back.

Hello John

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
It is just so obvious when you put it that way!
"People that support the conspiracy theory have less than half a brain.
Australians who look for the truth are wankers.
The US administration has not admitted complicity so it must not have been involved.
Nobody cares who was responsible for the WTC terror attacks anyway.

Hey Tilly, I'll type real slow so you can follow...

What John's post meant was that even if the conspiracy theorists were right, the government would never admit it. There is no proof. Anyone with half a brain already knows they are wrong. No one cares about the theory.

Is that about right John?



This is how you put together a web page to support your position. Notice the clear precise language and multitude of credible sources.

http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

Hello branw

I will see your Guardian and raise you The Journal of International Issues

"The fact is that the United States and its military partners have staged four nuclear wars, "slipping nukes under the wire" by using dirty bombs and dirty weapons in countries the US needs to control.
Depleted uranium aerosols will permanently contaminate vast regions and slowly destroy the genetic future of populations living in those regions, where there are resources which the US must control, in order to establish and maintain American primacy."

I am interested to see that you feel war sucks and some people just need to be killed.
As I recall there was another fellow on this forum who, while feeling his place was at home with the women, said much the same thing.
I am glad to see that you are willing for someone else to die for your ideals.

And you really think US foreign aid does to feeding people?

War is Heck!