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Let's see. 18% of of a soybean is oil. The rest becomes food for either people or animals. So growing more beans for the oil results in considerably more food.

Thanks for posting this, John. Regardless of homebrewers feelings towards the NBB and their pro-soybean, semi-anti-homebrewer slant, you have to admit that Joe Jobe has a good (and somewhat square shaped) head on his shoulders.

My main question is, if all of these people who work in government do so because they love us and want us to be happy, then why don't they look at real, unarguable facts when they make these monumental decisions?

The real issue here is increased demand. For oil to be used in cooking and fuel production and for cake for animal feed. Worldwide, this leads to more deforestation. The release of carbon sequestered in forests is significant.

So, we end up with more CO2 and less O2 as a result of increased demand for farm goods, like soy.

OK, the real real issue is people who use lots and lots of resources. Themselves and through the products they consume.

Take air travel - it uses a huge amount of energy. Just one example.

The whole argument is bogus. If we grow fuel, they cut down the rainforest to make food. If we grow food, they cut down the rainforest to grow fuel. What our farmers plant have no effect in the end.

Enviro arguments get people's heads into the clouds. We need to forget about taking care of the atmosphere and start taking care of the people down here on the ground. That includes keeping our water and breathable air free from chemicals and smog. Global warming/climate change is just a smokescreen for more taxation and control. The Earth will get along fine whatever its CO2 level, and God's finest creation man will learn to adapt to whatever environment it lives in.

It's late so I'm willing to get a bit philosophical.

I believe that humankind is more important than the earth and all of the heavens combined. Whether or not we truly are will depend on how well we take care of this planet we find ourselves on, and ultimately on how well we take care of the rest of the universe once we control it.

[QUOTE/]Pollution is a byproduct of creating more wealth, and that's why the polluters want the focus on global warming.[QUOTE]

Nice little twist of logic there, John. True wealth is freedom and resources, not printed money. The polluting corporations are more interested in money than a high standard of living (at least for us laboring folks), so of course they have to create boogie men like global warming to control their 'wealth' generating units (us). It's becoming the new religion and you know you can't argue with someone's religion...

I think we're on the same page anyway.

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Originally posted by john galt:
Man foolishly believes that God loves him more than God's greatest creation, the planet that sustains us. The planet will survive, humankind might not.

Pollution is a much bigger problem than global warming. Pollution is a byproduct of creating more wealth, and that's why the polluters want the focus on global warming.

John, I know you are a very intelligent man, but from my studies, the earth was much more polluted by man BEFORE we had the wealth we do today. Countries with low standard of living have dirtier water than we do to drink. I don't think pollution (air/water/rubbish) is a byproduct of wealth, it is a result of not properly handling/disposing/treating of the pollutants.

I do not like to argue religion but I must make a correction to your statement. The Bible says that God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believes in him (Jesus), will not perish, but have everlasting life. So he didn't die for earth, he died for man. He loves you and I much more than the earth. Bible also says that he takes care of the sparrow (his creation) therefore how much more will he care for us. This seems to indicate that he also thinks more of us than his creation.

I realize most on this forum either don't believe in God or Jesus, and I'm not going to argue back and forth. I also believe that every man and woman has a right to choose to believe or not believe in anything they choose, and to do so without ridicule. I just wished that everyone did believe in Jesus because I know what he's done in my life since giving my life over to him, I wished everyone could experience this abundant peace and certainty that I enjoy no matter what I've been through.

Again, this is not to start a religion discussion or argument, but when someone mentions what God wants, says, is, or is not, and it's contrary to the Bible, it's not in me to be silent.

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