Hi,

I happened upon your forum and this thread in particular during a Google search. Yes, this my first post. No, I do not have any affiliation with Diesel Secret. I use my real name in all my postings on about a hundred different auto forums so please don't accuse me of being a shill. I make parts for many kinds of auto engines.

There, the obligatory intro for this thread.

Well, I was just wondering if someone here could respond to the rebuttals that DSE gives on their website: http://www.dieselsecret.com/competition.html

I think the stated problem with the varying MSDS sheets seems important. I don't have either of them at hand to check them out but it sounds like some respondants could provide this information.

Anyway, if you read their answers it is almost like they are addressing this forum.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Hi Daniel,

I read your site -- you sound like a naturally gifted research chemist.

Oh, I am not a shill for Daniel. Best to mention that.

I like your thoughts on salt being the primary problem -- who could have known -- salt in the American diet? Laugh!

Good luck in your research.

Kevin

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Originally posted by sodbust:
Hello all,

Been some time since I have been here,, looks like there is confusion going on about thining veg oil for fuel.. Well Im now over 8000 gallons burned and ran for 2 years now. From Nov 1 2006 untill June 15th of 07 I ran everything on my farm at 100% veg oil fuel.

The market price of oil seeds going up 2 fold in 6 months and the lack of a market for my extra sunflowr meal has me back to a blend for a fuel booster. My cattle can just eat so much of the meal, or they can OD!

www.oilcrusher.5u.com

On the last page of my web site,, I give a total overview of my testing, and feed back from some of the top fuel chemist in our country about whats going on with my system of running farm growen veg oil as fuel.

Sodbust.

Hello Kevin, welcome to the forum

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin Johnson:
Hi,
I use my real name in all my postings on about a hundred different auto forums so please don't accuse me of being a shill. Kevin

Could you provide us with links to a couple dozen different auto forums where you are using your real name?

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Originally posted by Tilly:
Hello Kevin, welcome to the forum

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin Johnson:
Hi,
I use my real name in all my postings on about a hundred different auto forums so please don't accuse me of being a shill. Kevin

Could you provide us with links to a couple dozen different auto forums where you are using your real name?

Hi ST,

If you put in the search terms "Kevin Johnson" and "crank scraper" in Google you'll get about 152 hits. Most are for different forums. I manufacture more windage control parts for more different engines from more different marques than any other company in the world. Check it out.

Anyway, back to diesel secrets... any thoughts on my query?

Hello Kevin,

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Originally posted by Kevin Johnson:
Anyway, back to diesel secrets... any thoughts on my query?

What exactly was your query that has not already been covered many times over the last few years on this forum?

quote:

Originally posted by Tilly:
Hello Kevin,

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin Johnson:
Anyway, back to diesel secrets... any thoughts on my query?

What exactly was your query that has not already been covered many times over the last few years on this forum?

Yes, well, I am wondering if anyone has done the most basic cross analysis of the MSDS sheets that are/should be in circulation. Seems to me that is a quick and dirty way to support or refute much of the info that is purported to be from this company.

Edit: I will try not to ask the questions that have already been covered.

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/1311010701
DSE is Xylene and Benzene in an expensive bottle.

It's way cheaper and better to use stale Jet-B helicopter fuel:
Composition and Information on Ingredients
Kerosene + C5- 11 Naphtha, Solvent Extract
including:
A COMPLEX COMBINATION OF C9-C16 HYDROCARBONS PRODUCE BY DISTILLATION OF CRUDE:
n-Hexane
Cumene
Trimethylbenzene
Napthalene
Ethylbenzene
Benzene 7
Toluene
Cyclohexane
Xylene (mixed)

Jet-B is commonly used in helicopters operating in temperatures below freezing. After a year or so, unused fuel must be disposed. Stale Jet-B would be similar to a mix of stale RUG and #1 winter diesel.

It does not matter what the 'secret' ingredient is, or not.
Once you have clear dry oil, filtered to 5µ, and diluted with kerosene/winter diesel/Jet-A/B helicopter fuel/RUG...etc., then it does not make much difference what cupful of 'additives' you want to include. It could be Jet-B, it could be acetone + turpentine, it could be just about anything and it wouldn't make a measurable difference except in what you paid for it.

Hello Kevin

This is the MSDS that DSE sent Big Makwa.
Find the discussion on this page.

"I was able to cut & paste off my old W95 SYS. here is the actual MSDS info I was sent.

DSE additive Material Safety Data Sheet
General
Synonyms: dimethylbenzene, xylol
Molecular formula: C6H4(CH3)2 This is a mixture of the three xylenes, m-xylene (CAS 108-38-3), o-xylene (CAS 95-47-6) and p-xylene (CAS 106-42-3), and often also contains ethyl bezene (CAS 100-41-4).
CAS No: 1330-20-7
EINECS No:
Physical data
Appearance: colourless liquid
Melting point: -48 C
Boiling point: 137 C
Vapour density: 3.7 (air = 1)
Vapour pressure: 5.1 mm Hg at 20 C
Density (g cm-3): 0.87
Flash point: 27 C (closed cup)
Explosion limits: 1.1 - 7%
Autoignition temperature:
Water solubility:
Stability
Stable. Highly flammable - incompatible with strong oxidizing agents.
Toxicology
Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. May act as a narcotic. Typical TLV/TWA 100 ppm.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-RAT LD50 4300 mg kg-1
SCU-RAT LD50 1700 mg kg-1
Transport information
Personal protection
Safety glasses, good ventilation. Remove sources of ignition from the working area

General
Synonyms: albocarbon, mighty 150, mighty rd1, moth flakes, NCI-C52904, white tar, naphthalin, naphthene, camphor tar, tar camphor, moth balls
Molecular formula: C10H8
CAS No: 91-20-3
EC No: 202-049-5
Physical data
Appearance: white crystals
Melting point: 77 C
Boiling point: 218 C
Specific gravity: 1.14
Vapour pressure: 1 mm Hg at 20 C
Vapour density: 4.4 g/l
Flash point: 88 C
Explosion limits: 0.9 - 5.9%
Autoignition temperature:
Stability
Stable. Flammable - avoid sources of ignition. Incompatible with oxidising agents. Heat-sensitive. Sublimes slowly at room temperature.
Toxicology
May cause irritation. Toxic by inhalation or ingestion. TLV 10 ppm. Sensitizer. Possible carcinogen.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-CHD LDLO 100 mg kg-1
UNR-HMN LDLO 29 mg kg-1
ORL-MUS LD50 533 mg kg-1
IVN-MUS LD50 100 mg kg-1
ORL-RBT LD50 3000 mg kg-1
Irritation data
EYE-RBT 100 mg/mld
SKN-RBT 495 mg open mld
Risk phrases
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)

R20 R21 R22 R36 R37 R38 R43 R45.
Personal protection
Safety glasses. Use efficient ventilation."

If they have another MSDS or you have another MSDS I am sure everyone would be interested in seeing it

I have closed this topic because this has been discussed ad nauseam. All future posts about this merchant will be deleted. Any member who sees any topics/posts about this please notify the moderators by flagging them so they can be deleted. Thanks,

Shaun