I'm very interested in bio diesel as I am runing a 1984 2.4L
diesel to & from work.
Would the following process work.
Heat veg. oil to 130deg. run it thru a centrifuge and filter it.
The centrifuge would take out the impurities(h20,solids,etc.)
does this sound feasable.
Once I get started I going to use an aux. 20 gal tank with valves and filters to pet. diesel or bio diesel.
any feedback is appreciated in advance.

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Originally posted by drydenr:
I'm very interested in bio diesel as I am runing a 1984 2.4L
diesel to & from work.
Would the following process work.
Heat veg. oil to 130deg. run it thru a centrifuge and filter it.
The centrifuge would take out the impurities(h20,solids,etc.)
does this sound feasable.
Once I get started I going to use an aux. 20 gal tank with valves and filters to pet. diesel or bio diesel.
any feedback is appreciated in advance.

You are talking of SVO not biodiesel. SVO requires a vehicle mod. Biodiesel requires a oiil mod. I prefer bio to svo because of the lacking vehicle mods. That makes it useful in a lot more apps. If you are like me you change vehicles often. That makes for alot of converting. Not to mention it burns cleaner and is better for your motor.

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Originally posted by drydenr:
I'm very interested in bio diesel as I am runing a 1984 2.4L
diesel to & from work.
Would the following process work.
Heat veg. oil to 130deg. run it thru a centrifuge and filter it.
The centrifuge would take out the impurities(h20,solids,etc.)
does this sound feasable.
Once I get started I going to use an aux. 20 gal tank with valves and filters to pet. diesel or bio diesel.
any feedback is appreciated in advance.

Youll be running SVO/WVO or Straight Veggy Oils/Waste Veggy Oils, with or without solvents such as gasoline, No 2, Kero, etc....

This may be a great fuel for SOME vehicles (I have used this for many years myself on a SUITABLE vehicle that was CONVERTED to do so)

BUT it is NOT BioDiesel, and is definately NOT suitable for all engines....

Veggy Oil is NOT BioDiesel....

The two are completely different....

Veggy Oil and solvents such as kero, gasoline DSE etc. etc. are STILL not BioDiesel, and dismiss as CRAPPOLA anyone who says they are....

Veggy oil and solvents, DSE or WHATEVER is just a BLEND Nothing more....

Proper BioDiesel is MADE from veggy oils by a Chemical Process called Esterification or Transesterification, where you react the oil with a Catalyst (NaOH or KOH, Sodium or Potassium Hydroxide) and an Alcohol, (Usually Methanol but Ethanol can also be used) and remove a By-Product (Impure Glycerine, unused Catalyst, Alcohol and soaps generated in the reaction) to give you a much reduced viscosity (around the same as standard No 2) and cleaner fuel, suitable for nearly every Diesel powered engine, with no or only VERY minor modifications such as the odd rubber hose on older vehicles

I was suckered in to the dse deal when I first started searching for bio diesel, I made one small batch with it but when I found this site it made me understand the dangers it could cause my engine. I just finished building my appleseed kit from B100 supply and made my first 25 gallon batch today. I feel way more confortable runnning true bio then the blend.But Im a total newbee to this, so take for whats it worth

well tilley, im a"newbee"and was hoping to find out some useful imfo as to help me navigate the alternate fuel spectrum. I also was curious to find non bias imfo on dse(blends)?I was unsuccesful. what I did find out was that you seem to have a need to belittle anyone not at your lofty plateau of intelligence. good luck in life Grand Exalted Poobah,you will need it when you leave the magic kingdom and meet real people.thats if your mommy lets you leave the house.

Hello Joseph

If you really want to know how to run your car on blends it would make more sense if you visited the correct discussion list.
I'll leave it to your superior intellect to figure out which one that is (Hint: it is not the Biodiesel discussion forum).

May I recommend you use this site before your next post.

tilley is so very smart.no wonder your the leader of the honeycomb hideout.i see now that i could never win a battle of cyberwits with you, i must retreat to the real world.i have faith that one day when the power is out,you will too.although i dont think your insecurity will allow it. how many times a day do you wash your hands i wonder? lotta lotta soap i bet. hurry now your menions await your exalted response!

Wow! Cat fight!

Anyway, to get back to the topic - Diesel Secret Ingredient.

If your opinion is that Diesel Secret Ingredient is crap and dangerous for your engine, then you are free to say so. Hip hip hoorah for the internet.

If you think Diesel Secret Ingredient is great then ... (blah blah blah same as above).

My point here is to use the words Diesel Secret Ingredient so that the search engines find any posts, especially from disputed despots and invective injected illuminaries such as our dear Dr. Rev. Turbo Tilly, matinee 5pm PG13.

Like this, see... Diesel Secret Ingredient. Cut and paste Diesel Secret Ingredient. It's so easy once you get the hang of it...Diesel Secret Ingredient oops Diesel Secret Ingredient oh oh I can't stop, I must be addicted Diesel Secret Ingredient, tastes soooo good Diesel Secret Ingredient

I know we don't really want stupid questions/posts from Diesel Secret Ingredient pundits or flunkies, but it's better for a new SVO chappie to find us before ruining his engine and reducing the momentum of the growth of alternative fuels.

Hello Paul,
Cat Fight?
No, it is possibly just one of Diesel Secret's SPAMMERS posting rubbish on this forum with the intent of having Diesel Secret back in the discussion again. Although I did notice that Joseph also makes the same type of uncommon punctuation mistakes steved makes.
Notice how Joseph immediatly attacked me for no apparent reason the same way you did just now?
This is not something a bonified newbee is likely to do on his first post.
Jopseph said he is a "newbee" and then says he was trying to find information about "blending". In my experience, blending is not the word you would use naturally to describe mixing thinners with WVO to lower the viscosity if you were a real newbee.
No, Joseph is not a newbee.
If you think Joseph is here to learn about blending you also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

I am afraid you have lost me.
There is no more Topic to discuss that I am aware of. The "Secret ingredient" has been posted many times.
So far there have been over 340 posts on this forum about The Diesel Secret scam.
If you have any more startling information about these worthless ingredients that have not been clearly revealed in their MSDS and on this forum Please enlighten all of us.
Are you saying it is better for SVO chappies to find the Diesel Secret website before ruining their engine.
Please clearify exactly what you are trying to say for us poor unenlightened folk.

I personally think the Diesel secret scam has had more than it's share of free advertisement on this forum and does NOT belong on the Biodiesel forum.

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If you think Joseph is here to learn about blending you also believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

my daughter believes in the Easter Bunny, she reported to her mother he is short, fat, and looks like dad running around the backyard in his underwear.

Here's a fact! I drive a 1994 Chevrolet 3500 with a 6.5 Turbo diesel. Got 1000 miles out of DSE formula before I fried my Injector pump. Truck ran good for a month and then went down hill fast. Beware! I am now faced with a $3000 Repair Bill.Going to go with the true Biodiesel approach. Would advise all to do the same. As always if it is too good to be true, it probabaly isn't! Good luck to all.

In the UK I doubt very much if they would be allowed to sell xylene or any other alkylated benzene to the general public.

hi i am thinking of making biodiesel i keep getting emails from a JAY TALTON trying to sell me a online book and vido on the making of biodiesel from a secret methered he got from a MrX is this the same thing that you have been talking about on the fourm when you talk about diesel secrets?????
thanks

G'day Faith;
The best place to learn about how to make biodiesel can be easily found for free here:
The Colaborative Biodiesel Tutorial.
Once you've been through the site and have questions we here will be happy to help you achieve what you are looking for.(and it won't be hidden behind the black stump either )

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Originally posted by faith:
hi i am thinking of making biodiesel i keep getting emails from a JAY TALTON trying to sell me a online book and vido on the making of biodiesel from a secret methered he got from a MrX is this the same thing that you have been talking about on the fourm when you talk about diesel secrets?????
thanks

MrX just sounds shady... Not to mention Diesel Secret Crapola :-X

Welcome faith

Legal Eagle is correct, there are plenty of free places to learn how to make biodiesel on the internet. Plus, if you have questions, most people here can help.

As for the Diesel Secret thing, xylenes?! We're going to add a chemical that is not only extremely toxic to people, but also toxic to the environment and has a flashpoint at 27°C? P.T. Barnum if I've ever seen it.

Although Hanlon's razor certainly comes to mind quickly too.

Xylenes are used in ethanol to denature it so that people couldn't drink it without getting sick. Like 1 drop in hundreds of gallons. The MSDS for each xylene and the Diesel secret stuff reveals how innordinately toxic this stuff actually is.

I wondered what was in this stuff. Easy to find ingredients? Really? Last I checked, xylenes were a ***** to get and you go about getting them with closed containers and fume hoods.

As for the boost in power that people experience with the DSE, I can possibly shed a little light, although it's probably mentioned before. The autoignition temperature of xylene, all three, the temperature at which it spontaneously combusts, is 867°F. According to wikipedia, the average diesel engine runs at 1300-1650°F. The stuff is going to combust on its own regardless of what else is in it. However, the worry is similar to what happens when there's water in your biodiesel, cavitation and pitting. Some of it is going to flash boil and create the small bubbles which cause pitting and probably kill the injectors.

I'm a chemist and I'm appalled that someone would try and sell something like this to the public. And xylene attacks viton, the same stuff that we keep saying to change seals to.

Well, I was going to start asking some questions of this group. But all you have done is chased me away, thinking you are a bunch of arrogant, self rightous, pompous, @$$ holes. Thanks for your not letting us in! Maybe, someday, you might just think of getting off your high horses and "help the little guys" just starting off.

Hello Steve

You said:
"Well, I was going to start asking some questions of this group. But all you have done is chased me away, thinking you are a bunch of arrogant, self rightous, pompous, @$$ holes"

Are you alright?
What have you been smoking?
I have looked at all three of your posts and noone has said anything much to you at all other than one person told you it was a waste of money to buy a golden rod Filter.
Perhaps you should visit This site For a clearer understanding of your problem.

Steveinthurmont.Hmm, is that anything like Keithinjapan ? 3rd post and he's got his knickers in a knot ? I suppose if he didn't really want to know about DSE (AKA-snake oil) he really shouldn't have asked, 'cause people here will give you the very precise time of day when specifically asked for it.

Steve mmm i am newish to Biodiesel ... and i got all the help i needed and more here from this exact and only forum ... all it takes is to be nice and considerate and a little respect will get you everywhere ... maybe you should learn that sometime ...

hi chen ... i think go to ... www.autotrader.co.za you actually pay for an ad you might get a response to ... only its 12 000 kms from where ur at so i reckon jump in the kanoo now and start paddling ; }

Brrrr i hate been nasty !!!

Regards