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Originally posted by jammer:
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WOW WOW WOW
I tried putting 5 gal of glyc in 35 gal of oil. I did it sunday morn and tonight (tue)i drained off about 2 1/2 gallons out the drain (small bung) and drained off some out the standpipe (large bung w/3inch standpipe with a nipple on top to make 4 inches, the oil was a little murkey so i drained another gal out the small bung.
I got 30 gallons of real nice oil and 5 gallons of super muddy lookin glyc and 5 gallons of the NASTIEST THICK GOOP YA EVER COULD IMAGINE!
I will not be able to cook this tomorow but can do it thursday nite...
I think i may be able to vac off some of the oil as it rises from the nasty, if it clears but 5 gal of oil is worth it if it lowers the cloud/jell point and makes better fuel.
Thanks for the tip
Now all i gotta do is figure out how to clean all the nasty goop out of the bottom of the barrel.
Next time i do this i think i will make a adjustable standpipe ie 3 in base, nipple,2 in,nipple,2 in that way i can drain off some and be sure i am not sucking any of that crap that drops, into the reactor. When i get to the top of the standpipe if it is clear down to the nipple i can unscrew the top section and drain on down that way i can quit when i get to the murkey nasty.
Thanks again i will let ya know how this turns out with the fuel.

Jammer

How did it turn out?

H.C.II, At--Bated breath Divn, SWC

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Looks real good so far, I did the glyc prewash and when i drained off the glyc it looked like coffee only was semi clear not inky black . I am washing it for the 2 time right now and just threw in the bubbler. It still looks like oj but is trying to clear up will know more tomorow. While messing around waiting for the mister to do its thing, I built a tank out of a composit blatter tank. I am going to use it to put water to the misters that isnt 45degree cold stuff. I think that will help it clear faster and i dont have to drag the hose through the snow and get it running before it freezes.
I will let you know how it turns out

Jammer

Its Done
The fuel looks great. It is a little lighter color than my first batch. I put a jar in the freezer and forgot it. When i looked it was -2f and jelled,not hard just soft butter. I warmed it a bit it was clear at 22 degrees f. I put back in the freezer and this time watched it.
At 17 degrees it was clear but when i swished it around got a small cloud/looked like a small tornado in the center, i left it till i couldnt see through it, cloudy that was at at 13d f.
This is GREAT my other batch is cloudy at 28!
This is the ticket for me HOWEVER i will only be tring b10-15 as it is 2 degrees here right now. Thanks for the tip and keep on sharing what ya know...



Jammer

Great Result!--

From -1 deg C to a -10.5 deg C, is certainly a great improvement, but as you say, at your low outside temps, youll need to blend some Dino with it.

Try a 50/50 with Dino/BioDiesel, and leave it outside on a good cold night to see the effect--You may be able to use a higher than 10% Bio-Blend as fuel, My guess is, that as most of the tallows have gone now, the Dino at 50% will take the cloud-point down well --Try some straight Dino outside as well, as a control and some of your 'low-temp' Biodiesel unblended. Be interesting to see the differences, in your cold climate.........

Ive been doing a bit more research, and been asking a friendly Bio-Chemist, what is happening with the 'Pre-Treatment'--
He reckons, Its an Ionic Reaction, the Tallows are one pole, and the glyc. by-product is the other, hence the glyc coats the tallow crystals which fall to the bottom--Maybe this is right, I dont know.........

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Yes i did it in my dewater tank (open top barell).
I built a new vac vessel out of a composit blatter tank. The blatter can be taken clear out,the top and bottom both come off with bolts. I know a well driller and he gets lots of the old blatter type tanks and lets me have them if i want,less he has to haul to the dump. I will keep making my bd this way,i think it just makes better fuel. I am thinking of building a 100 gal tank for the bed of my truck, if i do i will build it with a 1/2 inch loop off of the cooling system of the truck and add a sectioned off area that will heat up first and add a tank switch so i can run kinda like the svo guys that way i can use bd in the winter,without fear of freezing up. Jammer

Nice work
Are you going to name your new Winterizing Biodiesel method?
Here in north east New Mexico the temp dropped to -10°F last night. Brrr.
We have ten gallons of biodiesel made with our first processor(major newbie).
Hence, I have a few rudimentary questions.
Do I need to find a conversion program to convert these results from Centigrade to Fahrenheit, or can you get me close enough? I think for most of the Winter here we will see temperatures above minus 10° Fahrenheit. Is this a typical winter temperature we can make biodiesel work in? Or, am I going to be parking the car for a few months and saving myself a lot of hassle? I take it nobody has a magic pill we can drop in the tank to lower the cloud-point?
Sincerely,
Brian Rodgers

Well,--I never thought of naming this pre-treatment, I 'published' it for the general good if guys find it usefull, then thats great,

All Royalties to the Welsh BioDiesellers Association, The usual Swiss Bank Acc applies
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but how about HCII method?

Tilly has his Dr Pepper Method (Pat-Pend) and Oil Can Harry, has his OCH method for making fuel so why not, What do you think?!--could even call it GOPW, --Glycerine Oil Pre-Wash?-

-No doubt someone like Tilly could come up with a few choice suggestions!

-10 degrees F is pretty cold--I doubt this method would resolve fuel use at this low temperature, but it at least gives an extra 10 degrees C lower than normal, from WVO so does help and should be worth it and maybe with some 'winerisation' treatments like Wintron XC-30, or blending say, 50/50 with Dino will get to the lower temperatures you are experiencing.--Experimentation is the way to go here........

This pre-treatment, only removes the tallows from WVO which give BioDiesel the high gell point, The basic oils like Canola/rape/corn etc still have a moderate gell-point, in some cases this is well below the ambient, but in colder regions this still is not low enough.......

Thats the problem, when dealing Internationally, Temperature measurement here in the UK and Europe is mostly measured in Centigrade, while deg F used in USA and Canada.

All I know, is 32 degrees F is 0 deg C, There are calculators on the 'Web for direct conversion.--Maybe a 'sticky Post' somewhere with both scales together would be an idea, as I have just as much difficulty in reading deg F, as others do with deg C.......

Hey Boss
Here ya go http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm
just follow the dir. I copyed this and put in my favorites.
Jammer

Thank you
Maybe I was rash with my forecast of minus zeros all Winter.
This morning it is 40°
Go figure
Extreme weather swings.
This is a more likely forecast due to global warming.
What does it mean to us biodieselers? Besides putting snorkels on our diesels if we live near the water? Can you believe this? -10° last night and 40° tonight. What in the hell is going on?
Again, here we are trying to do our part for the planet and Americans all around us are buying tactical anti-environmental vehicles! Gotta cringe every time I see a Hummer.
This is scaring the crap out of me. What do I tell my teenage daughter? Sorry honey, we ruined your future.
Persevere. We can make a difference.
I am now active in a local grassroots group.
We think.
We talk
We act
Sincerely,
Brian Rodgers

Hey john
I give up how do you get the little circle (degree) on your last post.Like 40*
I think what he ment was the gassers driving suv's that get 4 mpg.
Thanks for your reply,
Jammer

Has anyone tried this method for dewatering oil?

I've always wondered whether that would work- washing the watery stuff out of oil using a water-soluble glycerol byproduct.

Mark

I am a noob to the biodiesel, and am still in the process of making my first large batch, so forgive my ignorance on the subject of winterizing. My experience has been in making a Dr. Pepper mini batch that was washed times. The end product gelled at approximately 40 degrees Fahrenheit. As an experiment I put a small amount of STP anti-gelling liquid in a half liter bottle of home brew bio. The temperature has dropped below freezing and the biodiesel has remained liquid. Is normal anti-gelling liquid compatible with home brew biodiesel? Is this a fluke? Have I ruined the biodiesel?

P.S. If anyone is in the Carson City NV area,would you like to compare notes?

Has anyone ever used a heat tape on the fuel filter, line & tank?
This is my first winter I'm still using b100.
I plug the cord into an extension cord at night and during the day I switch the plug to an inverter. It's has a thermostat fixed at 32F. Sounded simple to me I bought 60' & 30' tapes for $30 each. I'll try and make it through the winter. My Bio is well dried! I process 400 wk so I'm using batches now from 9/8/05. I close it up in a drum, after letting it sit, about 2 weeks, and evacuate the drum. If I stop using it, I won't have room for drums.

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Originally posted by BioHMMWV:
I am a noob to the biodiesel, and am still in the process of making my first large batch, so forgive my ignorance on the subject of winterizing. My experience has been in making a Dr. Pepper mini batch that was washed times. The end product gelled at approximately 40 degrees Fahrenheit. As an experiment I put a small amount of STP anti-gelling liquid in a half liter bottle of home brew bio. The temperature has dropped below freezing and the biodiesel has remained liquid. Is normal anti-gelling liquid compatible with home brew biodiesel? Is this a fluke? Have I ruined the biodiesel?

P.S. If anyone is in the Carson City NV area,would you like to compare notes?

Hey BioHMMWV,
If you don't dry the bio after washing jell and cloud very early.
Iceman

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Originally posted by jammer:
Hey john
I give up how do you get the little circle (degree) on your last post.Like 40*
I think what he ment was the gassers driving suv's that get 4 mpg.
Thanks for your reply,
Jammer

Jammer and John,
Here is the SECRET method of adding a "°" to your post.


While holdong the [Alt] key down, type 248 on the keybpard and Voila the "°" symbol appears.


Now if you really want to know what I wrote, you will need to highlight the text of my post to read the SECRET

Here is the formula (°F - 32)*5/9=°C
I posted the formula into a spreadsheet and substituted the °F for the cell where I posted the Farenheit temperatures. The cell ewith the formula (preceded by an "=" symbol) displayed the °C values.
Here are the temperatures from -40 to 230°F and the °C equivalents;
°F _ °C
-40 _ -40.0
-35 _ -37.2
-30 _ -34.4
-25 _ -31.7
-20 _ -28.9
-15 _ -26.1
-10 _ -23.3
-5 _ -20.6
0 _ -17.8
5 _ -15.0
10 _ -12.2
15 _ -9.4
20 _ -6.7
25 _ -3.9
30 _ -1.1
35 _ 1.7
40 _ 4.4
45 _ 7.2
50 _ 10.0
55 _ 12.8
60 _ 15.6
65 _ 18.3
70 _ 21.1
75 _ 23.9
80 _ 26.7
85 _ 29.4
90 _ 32.2
95 _ 35.0
100 _ 37.8
105 _ 40.6
110 _ 43.3
115 _ 46.1
120 _ 48.9
125 _ 51.7
130 _ 54.4
135 _ 57.2
140 _ 60.0
145 _ 62.8
150 _ 65.6
155 _ 68.3
160 _ 71.1
165 _ 73.9
170 _ 76.7
175 _ 79.4
180 _ 82.2
185 _ 85.0
190 _ 87.8
195 _ 90.6
200 _ 93.3
205 _ 96.1
210 _ 98.9
215 _ 101.7
220 _ 104.4
225 _ 107.2

Hey thanks Perth
I am going to print the Fahrenheit to Centigrade chart out and put it on our wall.
I wrote some rash but not entirely untrue stuff yesterday. Sorry everyone. Didn’t mean to vent.
The Hummers still make me cringe. Not sure where the “tactical anti-environmental vehicles” term came from, or what it means, but, I like it. I think I made it up.
American’s are embracing the USA Patriot Act.
The sky is full of contrails.
I wonder what the future holds for my kids.
This weekend I will continue to plumb our thirty gallon processor. We ordered 55 gallons of methanol from Texas.
We don't recommend Fischer Scientific for ordering supplies. They are a rip-off.
The front yard is filing up with cubees.
Yesterday we installed Linux, Mepis 3.4.1 on my workstation at the office.
Super simple, it comes with Firefox and Thunderbird pre-installed, so I had my email and browser in a matter of minutes. Open source is where it at. I put Micro$oft in the trash where it belongs. We have four more computers to convert. One is a router the other a raid file server. Next week should be challenging.
For some reason I am writing in short sentences again today.
Life is a trip.
Peace
Brian Rodgers

P.S. Find all sorts of ascii characters at http://www.lookuptables.com/
I use alt-0176 to show ° There are a few combinations.
Brian

Hi John
In answer to your question: Is my Landcruiser a "tactical anti-environmental vehicle" ?
I believe it has to do with the over-all "look" of the vehicle. Does your vehicle look like it came from an US Marine corps recruitment advertisement? Do they picture your vehicle in advertisements tearing up nature in macho tire spinning fashion?
Your next question: “Is the issue fuel economy, off-road capability, energy to manufacture ?” I think I answered this one already. Except for the energy to manufacture part. This needs more discussion. Can you elaborate? Is it a “All about jobs” issue? That’s a sticky issue.
Peace
Brian Rodgers
http://www.outfitnm.com

Just remember Boss, the whole world cannot be free. A hummer may not be for you, but the people that drive them and build them are helping the economy just like everyone else. Sorry, i know wrong thread. Just a small business owner trying to help the economy.