These people are applying for a patent (UK and world) for settling use cooking oil, taking the top layer and then filtering it for use. They really are trying to patent letting the oil settle out then filter it. they have just used lots of words to say so. If they get this patent nearly every user of used oil (that I know of) will be infringing there patent and be open to prosecution or royalty payments
Please read the pattern application here.

world application
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/w...04152&DISPLAY=STATUS

UK application...
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/p-find-n...e=F&csbpub=GB2455542

Am I wrong, is this not outrages?

UK “observation” procedure for making an observation about someone else’s application
“If you think that a patent application relates to an invention which is not new or is not patentable for some other reason, then you can provide us with observations and we will take these into account when we decide whether to grant a patent.”
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/pa...ct/p-observation.htm
So I urge you send the patterns office your objects.
What do you think if the best way to phrase an objection?
and how does one object to the world patent office?

please,please spread the word....

Pete

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I think that patent app is really bit of a Joke.
They are trying to Patent Settling and filtering oil by both normal gravity and Centrifuging and heated and not as well as filtering.They co-incedientally cite the exact filter sizes commonly spoken of on forums like this one.
They are also trying to patent the idea of using the finished oil as fuel in a diesel engine and the left over sludge as burner fuel either straight or mixed with sawdust or the like.

It seems to me these clowns are nothing but opportunists that think if they can get a patent through, they will own the idea of SVO and Biodiesel feedstock preparation procedures and become filthy rich.

I'm no patent attorney but I can see a million holes in this one plus a few industries that would take exception to it. Even if they got the patent, the minute a relevant industry gets wind of it or they try to extort some money out of them, they will have a legal battle that they won't be able to afford to defend and the patent will be seen as a mistake and withdrawn.

They talk about an invention but there is no apparatus described or particular procedure either. They talk about settling the oil for 24-48 hours but then put ass covering caveats on it like "It may be longer".
You Cannot patent an idea or procedure which is already commonly in use. As far as I understand patents, they are only for technical procedures, mechanical devices, and technological developments. You have to come up with something ( other than an idea) that no one else has so far.

I don't see any big deal about this anyway. Even if they did get a patent through, who is going to come inspect my backyard to see what I'm doing? If they try it on with any industry or company, they won't get any further than court where they will have their backsides expensively spanked.

I'll bet the " inventors" of this lame application are also people that register and sit on 10,000 domain names and then try to extort anyone that has a legitimate interest in one for a ridiculous amount of money.

I think the only people going to make money out of this is the patent attorneys who are preparing this lame duck claim.

They cannot patent something that has been in the public domain for years. The numerous posts in this forum will attest to the fact that this process has been in use for a very long time.
What they CAN patent is a proprietary piece of equipment to achieve that end but not the process itself.

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You Cannot patent an idea or procedure which is already commonly in use. As far as I understand patents, they are only for technical procedures, mechanical devices, and technological developments. You have to come up with something ( other than an idea) that no one else has so far.

Exactly.

total agree with every thing said. thank guys, it's not just me.

thanks legal eagle i thought that was the case, now i know.

if anyone has any published references for demonstrable web links I'll use them in my objection.
i cant expect the patents office to read through this site looking for ways to back up the objection. i kind of need to spoon feed them.

i will include a link to this topic but please post web links and published references (like chapters in book) along with you thoughts

and spread the word. lets kill this off.

Pete

What a joke, these idiots must have a lot of money they need to dispose of.

On the flip side, if they can pull it off, every grease rendering company would now have to pay them a royalty...ummmmm .

Bill

Unless somebody contests their patent application it probably will go through. The patent boards will just look through current patents to see if one has been issued. If not, they'll rubber stamp it.

It's the exact same thing that happened in internet video. One company patented IP transmission of video and then forced royalty payments down the throats of hundreds of big-name companies who paid up, but had to file a lawsuit to invalidate the patent. It took 7 years of litigation, hundreds of thousands of $$$ in legal fees to the parties contesting the patent ***AND*** seven years of paying royalties to the douchbags who managed to patent something that everybody was doing.

Here's the kicker... the guys who had the patent didn't have to repay those who paid for 7 years and didn't have to pay legal fees either. SO... contest it with the patent boards before it goes through.

***I HAVE FILED AN OBSERVATION AND HAVE CONTACTED THE WORLD PATENT ORGANIZATION TO CONTEST THESE APPLICATIONS***

I suggest doing the same. It only takes a few minutes.

If these guys DO pull it off it will do two things; one is to show what a complete group of morons run the patent oggice and two, will stir me to file a patent for the intake of air into the lungs my means of mouth and /or nose. There are some 6 billion people using that method now and it could all be mine .... nyahahahahah, mine I tell ya, mine .

Yeah, I'm gonna patent cooking a hamburger on a grill over charcoal too. Those guys are idiots!

Joke about this all you want but everybody needs to take this seriously. The guys that would file this sort of patent would have no problem using blood-sucking leaches, I mean lawyers, to make each and every one of us pay a royalty. The patent examiners have no idea what is standard in this industry - and won't - unless everybody contacts them.

The next step after obtaining a UK patent is to apply for a US patent based on already having international patents.

This sounds like a "Storm in a Tea Cup" situation.
Firstly, this is a biodiesel forum so this fellow trying to corner the market on using filtered WVO as a fuel with his amazing patented process has no concern to me or anyone else using biodiesel.
Next, we are only hobby Producers anyway. With My very limited legal knowledge, I recall reading somewhere that using patented procedures is only a concern when it involves commercial entities making money.
And if he wants to collect 10 cents royality per gallon from the 50 or so Gallons of fuel I use a month is it really cost effective for him to employ high powered lawyers to chase up that $5.00?
And how will he even know that me or anyone else is using filtered WVO as a fuel in the first place.

I have much more important things to think about right now. Will I grab a Bud or a Schlitz the next time I go to the refrigerator.
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I have a patent pending for the encapsulation of dihydrogen oxide for the hydration of hominids.

biopete99,
They will no more be able to patent the separation of fluids by gravity, than you or I would be able to patent a lever or a pulley. IMHO, this is much ado about nothing.

You can't patent a broad concept, you have to describe every specific use of the product you want to protect. This is one of the reasons patent applications can be huge, even with a legitimate patent application the patent office will likely disallow all but a very few of the claims. Even if they did get some sort of a patent it would not apply to anyone using the process or product for there own use, patents only apply to someone selling the process commercially. You can use patent info to exactly duplicate any product for your own use, even if you began selling that product commercially it is up to the patent holder to take you to court at there expense to stop you from profiting from there development work.

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I have a patent pending for the encapsulation of dihydrogen oxide for the hydration of hominids.

You could get a double patent if you include icecubes, er, I mean, reduced temperature dihydrogen oxide. :-)

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Originally posted by Legal Eagle:

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I have a patent pending for the encapsulation of dihydrogen oxide for the hydration of hominids.

You could get a double patent if you include icecubes, er, I mean, reduced temperature dihydrogen oxide. :-)

Who told you about my process for the crystallization of fluid dihydrogen oxide! I made everyone sign an NDA. Someone is getting SO sued.

I'm having a rethink about this.

Maybe it would be fun if they did get their patent through. The company that is trying to have this granted are an oil collection company in the UK which was started by a couple of opportunists a few years back and apparently, they are now owned or backed by a bigger company ( 3 guys?)
Despite this, the propaganda and self importance of their lackluster achievements is regularly updated in their newsletter every month.

A look at their web pages is a pretty good insight into the audacity and ignorance that would lead them to the patent application they have applied for.

I'd like to see them try to collect their royalties from the cowboy Redneck rendering companies and if it's true that some have Mob connections,,,,, Well that would make for a lot more interesting reading than just another Bio related house fire!
" Grease settling patent holders mysteriously found at the bottom of the Thames River wearing brand new concrete boots".

There is a good chance the Commercial Bio brewing plants would have gone under or been wound up long before any court date comes around so that won't be much of an earner.
As for coming to check out what I'm doing with oil at my place, Well good luck with trying to track myself and all my oily friends down to enforce the levys.

That oil in those tanks, Oh no!, that's not settling, it's just in storage till I get round to drying it... in 6 months time. No, that isn't a filter, it's a 1 micron liquid / Particle matter separator... I'm going to patent them soon so if you have one of those devices included in your patent, well you going to owe me buddy.... Big time.

My other friend supplies a couple of others who supply their friends who give it back to the first bloke who centrifuges it, straight from the shop... or is it the second guy that gives it to the fourth guy who....? Anyway, like me, he doesn't settle it, it's just that he collects a lot and it takes him 6 months from the time he picks the tins up till he can get round to putting it through the CF....

I read through the application and it is so vague and non specific and contains no particular defined technology, process, system or apparatus that it is pretty much a joke. And if it does get through, enforcing it will be a bigger joke that the patent itself.

hi my first post here, thanks for all the great info

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Unless somebody contests their patent application it probably will go through. The patent boards will just look through current patents to see if one has been issued. If not, they'll rubber stamp it.

I agree with rl303 - if you look at the "search report" section of this pdf:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/p-find-p...A&JournalNumber=6265
you can see that looking through the current patents is exactly what the IPO have done. Although it would appear the IPO are questioning the claim, if you actually look up the existing patents cited (for example the first one - US2006/0236595 at http://snipurl.com/t2gij) it doesn't exactly fill you with confidence that the IPO really understand what is being applied for. A robust argument from the applicant dismissing a process which includes the catalyst "aluminum sludge zeolite" as irrelevant to their claim is not difficult to imagine - once each cited existing patent has been similarly dismissed, the IPO will grant the application.

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Joke about this all you want but everybody needs to take this seriously ... The patent examiners have no idea what is standard in this industry - and won't - unless everybody contacts them.

email section21@ipo.gov.uk
include the patent number GB2455542

rich_w

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" Grease settling patent holders mysteriously found at the bottom of the Thames River wearing brand new concrete boots".

Whahaha, that's great ! I got another take on it though:

" Grease settling patent holders mysteriously found at the bottom of a vat of dirty used cooking oil wearing brand new concrete boots".

Settle oil? What's that. I don't settle anything, I just filter it. Damn, I wish I thought of the settling part.

Good luck chasing down anyone who settles oil. How can anyone actually take this seriously?