I just read all of the post from about Sept. I am just getting started and I have my DSE manuel and additive. I like what Hosken said about use all of it accept the 'special additive' because he uses it and it is working with his heaters. I also like what dieselnut wrote about the settleing idea. I will use these ideas and post my results. I have a '92' Dodge 4x4 with 186,000 miles on it.

Just remember, if you're "blending" which is what DSE is, you are experimenting in the LEAST researched and least proven area. Major risks exist in blending. DSE and blending in general requires GOOD OIL, NON-hydrogenated stuff. It also requires tailoring to the vehicle, a Cummins Dodge like "jobob" has will PROBABLY be fine, but you try it in a 24 valve 1999 Dodge and the IP will probably die a quick death. DO A LOT OF RESEARCH.

Hey guys thanks for all the intresting read this has been very good dialogue! Two notes I would like to bring to every one attention.

I recntly found a company to make methoxide for me! (no mixing the lye,and methanol!!!!) Check ebay great guy dirk fenner he owns fenner chemical.
Second is why not add a little marvel mystery oil to the dse product to bring back some of its lubricity? So what if it changes the color a little it would quite down all the noise everyone is complaining about? Oh well

Note : I live close to PT barnums home town so I will try the dse in a series of trucks and equipment we have and give back feed back when I can. Good luck to all

I have found a product made by the makers of HEET that contains basicaly the same ingredents called DIESEL POWER. Anyone heard of it. Got it at a local parts store for a third of the price and non of the hype of DSE. I tried DSE and it worked for me but way to expensive DP prevents gelling down to -25 fuel line freeze ups and is anti corrosive.I don't know how long it's been around anyone out there using it. I think I can trust a co. that has proven products over one that is trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

So, are ya'all saying I mix 8.5 parts filtered
WVO, 1 part kerosene and .5 parts petrol add
some HEET Diesel Power and I get a version of Biodiesel w/o all the lye/meth mixing/washing
effort? Do I read that right, because I can do that in about 1/2 hour...
and a very happy person...

outerdirkness, if you do that then you get a BLEND, or a DSE copy. It is NOT biodiesel, and it's risky. I blend my fuel but I know the risks and accept them, if my car dies due to my screwing around with an unproven risky fuel then it's my fault. Making biodiesel, on the other hand, is the Cadillac of WVO fuel production, it will run in any diesel just about, and do so without problems. That deluxe fuel comes at a price, and the price is the cost of methanol, lye, and your time producing it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by john galt:
NO, I doubt if any credible person is saying anything like that at all.

Odd, just to check myself, that is exactly what was said, save of course, I called it BD, and not a blend.
Thanks for the warm welcome, John

[quote] Do some homework and spend some time with the search function on this forum.

See above, John, I did "do homework" and THAT
is why I was confused, so much for asking for
clarifications. Please, Sir, feel free to NOT
respond to my inane questions if they are so
far below you.
Thanks

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Originally posted by B.K. Hosken:
outerdirkness, if you do that then you get a BLEND, or a DSE copy. It is NOT biodiesel, and it's risky. I blend my fuel but I know the risks and accept them, if my car dies due to my screwing around with an unproven risky fuel then it's my fault. Making biodiesel, on the other hand, is the Cadillac of WVO fuel production, it will run in any diesel just about, and do so without problems. That deluxe fuel comes at a price, and the price is the cost of methanol, lye, and your time producing it.

Ah! Thanks, BK, I appriciate the correction of
terms. You see, I was under the assumption that
since the BASE was WVO, that the blend was just
another, alternative version od biodiesel.
I will not use then interchangeably again. Thankyou very much for the informative reply
to a new member and an new but enthusiastic
convert to BD.

No problem! Welcome, and good luck. Read a lot, you can get just about all of the knowledge base you need right here on this forum.

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ok guys I bought the diesel secret kit( two bottles and a book) No video of detail just an email of a video that gives very little detail.

I made my first batch this week end and so far it works- in our 98 tdi jetta and our furnace note: my wlfe says she thinks the car runs better? than before on diesel more "power" as for the process i have a few comments. I blew my water filter after pumping the first 15 gallons (40 gallon batch) the pump blew the filter gaskett because the filter must have swelled and cut off flow. I am drawing from the bottom of a new clean barrel and I belive this is my problem.The water must have seporated from the fuel and settled there- I will give the formula from the book for forty gallons in my next post.
Pete

Where are you located, in the US? Warm area?

Ct along the shoreline.

hey sarge! have your ever tried the DSE formula? I have made biodiesel and the Dse and find the dse to be easier than the bio and no By product to dispose of. I will keep posting to keep everyone up to date please ask all the questions you want we will all learn together-
Pete

I started on DSE, and ran 100 gallons of it (about 2000 miles). I then tried the same mix without DSE's additive, and it ran exactly the same. I just don't think the DSE is doing anything in the tiny amounts they have you add it. I have tried the following blends:
85%WVO, 10%kero, 5%gas WITH DSE
85%WVO, 10%kero, 5%gas WITHOUT DSE
85%WVO, 15%gasoline, nothing else (ran best)
91%WVO, 9%ethanol, (ethanol wouldn't stay mixed)
90%WVO, 10% gas (ran fine here in FL)
85%WVO, 10% kero, 5% ethanol (this runs GREAT)
Summer I am going to try 100% WVO as soon as I get electric heaters on the main fuel line before the filter. If it works OK, I will go with 100% until about Oct-Nov when it cools off here.

***TO AVOID FILTER CLOGGING PROBLEMS*** Run a couple tanks of StarTron tank cleaner (get it at West Marine or other marine places). It will clean out the diesel gunk from you tank and save you DOZENS of filter replacements. I changed out my prefilter at least 20 times. YOU NEED TO DO THIS before using the main tank to hold WVO, or you will have clogging filter issues. If you already started, get some now and run it. I had to clean the tank screen, and when I started using ethanol it cleaned out MORE gunk. I added the Startron and it cured the probelm without me having to drop the tank and clean it out. Good stuff.

REMEMBER that blending (which is what DSE is) is the newest and most dangerous way to run WVO in your car. If your car is a DIRECT INJECTION engine, I would stop now before you carbon up your rings and kill your engine. IF your car is a IN-DIRECT injection ngine you MAY be able to run blends, but you MAY cause slow carboning/coking damage that won't show itself for 20,000 miles. RESEARCH using the search on this forum, especially search for your make & model car. Blending is a much greater risk than going with a 2 tank system, if you have a DI (direct inj.) engine you NEED to go 2 tank or you will probably coke up your rings in a few thousand miles.

Wow! I did not know about the direct injection sytem trouble.Our tdi would be a bad canidate for this then.Do oyu or have read about any problems with the biodiesl cokeing up the tdi'S
Thanks agin Im learing.
Pete

I would say you should go with a 2 tank system, or biodiesel. If you send me an e-mail to bkhosken@yahoo.com, I will send you my "new guy source document" with several links and a full explanation to get you started.

Blending here is somewhat new but they have been doing it in England and Europe for over a decade. I Think we can learn from them. Using DSE or similar product will help thin the wvo.The cleaner the oil is to start with the better it will work. I use Baking soda S water softener Salt to get rid of fats and water then filter with 50/10/1 micron filter bags do a 10% kerosene,5% rug. 2 ounc. Diesel kleen 2Ounc Diesel Power by the makers of HEET instead of DSE and mix well then filter again wnd it runs through them like water.

Did you mean H2O Hoon?

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Originally posted by JerryPT:
Doesn't sound good. Any idea what the results are emissions-wise? And are their dangers to handling this stuff or mixing it in an open tank?

Jerry

There are dangers with every chemical. One very dangerous substance is non-aqueous di-hydrogen oxide!

I use it i have over 5000 miles on it works great no trouble at all.

Indeed I did! Very dadly stuff when used incorrectly!