Well, it just was too good to be true and just had to try it and see what it says.

Basically the manual tells you to buy a Walmart plastic garbage can a couple of pumps and a couple of household water filters, hoses and fittings. Install a Goldenrod filter in one for water removal and wa-lah your system is ready. Actually you also add Kerosene (10% ratio), unleaded gasoline (5% ratio), some Diesel-Kleen+Cetane boost and the magical/miracle potion (DSE) and then pump in your tank. Its pink in color and smells somewhat like paint thinner.

I have a friend who is a lab rat and will take it in for analysis. Out of curiosity, I'm going to mix a small batch up and see how it does in the fridge and then the freezer. I'm still scared to put it in my 2000 Dodge Cummins. It also has a chart stating that it is good to 30 degrees. Add 5% more kerosene for every 10 degrees colder. Blow is the mixing ratio, you guys are the gurus out here. What's your opinion?

20gal filtered WVO, 2gal Kerosene, 1gal unleaded gas, 15oz Power Service+Centane boost additive, 3.5oz of DSE mix slowly for 5 minuets and put it in the tank.
Q

That's pretty similar to what's been suggested at the SVO side of this forum multiple times (ie WVO, RUG= Regular Unleaded Gasoline, and Cetane Boost, only with "magic potion" added for extra snake oil effect...

Mark

so do you have to keep buying magic potion or do they tell you how to mix it up yourself? and what do they charge for 'recharges' of this magic potion?

by the way it sounds to me like if we're at about 15% of petroleum products that you have to buy at $2-$3 a gallon plus cetane boost, and the stuff still isnt' quite the right viscosity as diesel (assumption here), and the system costs $150 in parts, then what's the vast savings over making biodiesel out of 20% $2.25 a gallon methanol, in a $200 biodiesel processor system? whic pumps do they suggest by the way?

Mark

GM, the site mentions the additive is a $12.99 value, so presumably thats what it costs a bottle.

Basically, the additive is the only "new" part of the equation here, as otherwise it's just your basic blend many have done for years. If they were more up front on the web page as to the blend and technique, I'd take them more seriously. As it is it sounds too much like they are using the old telemarketers methods of giving you just enough info to make you curious enough to buy. The "snake oil" is the hook that is truly unique to thier method. If it's so great, why not just sell it and tell you the rest up front?

As to why not just make Biodiesel, the one major selling point to a blend is time. Just mix and go.

It's easy, cheaper than diesel, has secret ingredients. No brainpower or research needed. All we need is your credit card.

One of the problems with the secret formula is that it costs $12.99 but then they charge you over $10 for UPS ground shipping. Does anyone think that it costs over $10 to ship 12 oz. of mineral spirits.

They were very rude in my comunications and slow to respond when I ordered, but I have to say they did refund my money when I demanded it.

Steven

That they would give a refund at least shows they are serious about the product. I still think they should be showing results of the effectiveness of the additive. Otherwise it's just a sales gimmick from my perspective...

If you take credit cards, you pretty much have to be prepared to do refunds on demand- that's not reallly an option for such businesses as the customer can always do a chargeback or whatever it's called... not necessarily a sign of anything special about the busines. As for what the snake oil is, the MSDS is discussed at another thread here- xylene and somethign like mothballs, I think...

Mark

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20gal filtered WVO, 2gal Kerosene, 1gal unleaded gas, 15oz Power Service+Centane boost additive, 3.5oz of DSE mix slowly for 5 minuets and put it in the tank.

I have to keep lowering the bar. Thank you kind folks at DSE: That is now the STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. It will stay as such until someone (or some company) claims/says something stupider, OR until testing, studies, and an ASTM standard prove that DSE is right. I'm betting on the former.

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Originally posted by girl mark:
That's pretty similar to what's been suggested at the SVO side of this forum multiple times (ie WVO, RUG= Regular Unleaded Gasoline, and Cetane Boost, only with "magic potion" added for extra snake oil effect...

Mark

Do they have any kind of scientific data that shows that the mix doesn't harm engines? It just seems real arbitrary, kind of like they tried a bunch of stuff until the car seemed to run okay, but that's not smart in the long run, in my opinion.

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I have to keep lowering the bar. Thank you kind folks at DSE: That is now the STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD.

LOL!
Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel...

Square G,

re...One of the problems with the secret formula is that it costs $12.99 but then they charge you over $10 for UPS ground shipping. Does anyone think that it costs over $10 to ship 12 oz. of mineral spirits...

These people are making their money on the postage. It is an old eBay trick. Seems more ond more people are doing the same thing. Also there are a lot of companies that will use a single postage system regardless of how much it costs. Not too long ago I had a part weighing less than 4 oz sent that cost 15 Pound; about $26.
regards
dva

Shipping is one way to make extra money.

Wouldn't surprise me if the "secret" is a common industrial solvent bought in drums and repackaged. Like the guys going door to door selling the "miracle cleaner". Just an industrial surfactant/cleaner, watered down and put in jugs.

"Does anyone think that it costs over $10 to ship 12 oz. of mineral spirits..."

It may if they actually let the shipper know what they are shipping. I think that would qualify as hazardous/flamable.

-Jim

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Originally posted by pquevill:
Well, it just was too good to be true and just had to try it and see what it says.

...Install a Goldenrod filter in one for water removal and wa-lah your system is ready.
Q

Oh yeah, those filters are so so at removing free water and even worse at removing disolved water. Not in my injection pump!

Have a lovely day,

troy

Hrm... Is this a possible replacement, though, for diesel in home heating systems? Anyone have any idea on that? They're pretty un-fussy...

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Originally posted by DDreslough:
Hrm... Is this a possible replacement, though, for diesel in home heating systems? Anyone have any idea on that? They're pretty un-fussy...

There's a whole other group of people experimenting with various blends over at altfuelfurnace. A google search will find them. I would have the same issues with using this product for home heating oil. How is it any different/better than blending with kerosene, or setting up to run straight veggie oil.

finest regards,

troy

I am very interested in the Diesel Secrets formula for quick diesel fuel alternative. Anyone out there have any experience with known issues of this cocktail method of making biodiesel? I've read the possible issues, but does anyone know someone who's had problems with this type, or similar, fuel?

It is very appealing due to it's quick nature and easy ability to make any batch size you need.

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Originally posted by gerbur:
I am very interested in the Diesel Secrets formula for quick diesel fuel alternative. Anyone out there have any experience with known issues of this cocktail method of making biodiesel? I've read the possible issues, but does anyone know someone who's had problems with this type, or similar, fuel?

It is very appealing due to it's quick nature and easy ability to make any batch size you need.

IT WON'T MAKE BIODIESEL!

It's a snake oil "additive" to a WVO/RUG blend that doesn't need any additives.

I ordered a bottle and it looks just like Sta-bil brand fuel conditioner to me. The information in their manual says that it is used to prevent gelling and helps filter remove water. Label on bottle says contains Naptha Xylene, and Napthalene. 22 oz bottle sell for about the same price as 22 oz bottle of Sta-bil at my local Oriely auto parts store.

Do you think they are just buying Stabil in bulk and repackaging into 22 oz bottles?