From the DSE website.

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One more reason to choose our system is the cost of constructing a Bio-diesel "fuel station." You will likely spend $1,000-1,500 to build your own station from scratch or you can purchase one online for $3,000! The construction of our "fuel station" will cost around $120-150 using parts from your local Lowe's or Home Depot and will take only a couple of hours.

I will lay odds that many members here and many who are not can, with an eye towards safety, scrounge up the needed processor materials for $120 - 150.

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Originally posted by Spencnaz:
If Diesel Secret is not a member of the BBB...

Then could they be prosecuted for either fraud or attempt to commit fraud by false advertising?

Not sure, but I do know the BBB has very strict rules about how you advertise on your website that you're a member.

They even give you the logo & tell you that you have to use THEIR HTML code and that the image can't be resized.

Here's what mine looks like:

The image has to link to their detail on you too. This is what mine links to:
http://www.bbbonline.org/cks.asp?id=106112115014390
-Graydon

DSE additive Material Safety Data Sheet
General
Synonyms: dimethylbenzene, xylol
Molecular formula: C6H4(CH3)2 This is a mixture of the three xylenes, m-xylene (CAS 108-38-3), o-xylene (CAS 95-47-6) and p-xylene (CAS 106-42-3), and often also contains ethyl bezene (CAS 100-41-4).
CAS No: 1330-20-7
EINECS No:
Physical data
Appearance: colourless liquid
Melting point: -48 C
Boiling point: 137 C
Vapour density: 3.7 (air = 1)
Vapour pressure: 5.1 mm Hg at 20 C
Density (g cm-3): 0.87
Flash point: 27 C (closed cup)
Explosion limits: 1.1 - 7%
Autoignition temperature:
Water solubility:
Stability
Stable. Highly flammable - incompatible with strong oxidizing agents.
Toxicology
Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. May act as a narcotic. Typical TLV/TWA 100 ppm.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-RAT LD50 4300 mg kg-1
SCU-RAT LD50 1700 mg kg-1
Transport information
Personal protection
Safety glasses, good ventilation. Remove sources of ignition from the working area

General
Synonyms: albocarbon, mighty 150, mighty rd1, moth flakes, NCI-C52904, white tar, naphthalin, naphthene, camphor tar, tar camphor, moth balls
Molecular formula: C10H8
CAS No: 91-20-3
EC No: 202-049-5
Physical data
Appearance: white crystals
Melting point: 77 C
Boiling point: 218 C
Specific gravity: 1.14
Vapour pressure: 1 mm Hg at 20 C
Vapour density: 4.4 g/l
Flash point: 88 C
Explosion limits: 0.9 - 5.9%
Autoignition temperature:
Stability
Stable. Flammable - avoid sources of ignition. Incompatible with oxidising agents. Heat-sensitive. Sublimes slowly at room temperature.
Toxicology
May cause irritation. Toxic by inhalation or ingestion. TLV 10 ppm. Sensitizer. Possible carcinogen.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-CHD LDLO 100 mg kg-1
UNR-HMN LDLO 29 mg kg-1
ORL-MUS LD50 533 mg kg-1
IVN-MUS LD50 100 mg kg-1
ORL-RBT LD50 3000 mg kg-1
Irritation data
EYE-RBT 100 mg/mld
SKN-RBT 495 mg open mld
Risk phrases
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)

R20 R21 R22 R36 R37 R38 R43 R45.
Personal protection
Safety glasses. Use efficient ventilation.

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Originally posted by gerbur:
I am very interested in the Diesel Secrets formula for quick diesel fuel alternative. Anyone out there have any experience with known issues of this cocktail method of making biodiesel? I've read the possible issues, but does anyone know someone who's had problems with this type, or similar, fuel?

It is very appealing due to it's quick nature and easy ability to make any batch size you need.

I have been using it for two years and several dodge trucks...check out www.turbodieselregister.com alternative fuels forum and you will hear all about DSE and how to make your own additive instead of buying from them. But yes their system works and costs .65 cents a gallon to make..

I don't know anything about this subject, but I recently saw a reference to DSE on the TDIClub forum, and the administrator has notified everyone that no new posts will be accepted on this subject without approval because of pattern of abusive practices. You can read more in TDIClub's archives. The following is part of the administrator's post:

Every few months we get a new round of posters who ask about Diesel Secret Energy. Most of these posters make one post asking about the product and never post again. They appear to be nothing but shills for the company.

With every new thread about DSE the common reaction from the membership is all negative so in the name of saving some bandwidth there are no threads allowed for this product or company. New members who post about DSE will be considered spammers and their accounts will be banned.

DSE has been discussed on TDIClub enough already so use the search to learn what the membership thinks of it.

That doesn't sound like too bad an idea. If there was any new development in the discussion, it would be different. But this topic has about 3 pages of useful content, and 12 pages of redundancy, (most of which I agree with by the way, but redundant none the less.)

Granted, this topic isn't all that busy anymore, but I am beginning to think (actually have for a while now) that closing it to further discussion would likely be in the interest of the folks footing the bill for the site. Any question that anyone could possibly have about DSE is answered somewhere in these 15 pages, probably more than once.

How about we make a short "sticky" for the front page about DSE, and then close all future posting about it? Saves space...