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If you need to know the price of xylene (like xylophone not zylophone) you need to google your way to ICIS pricing... They'll quote you daily, weekly or monthly on a product like that I think, but the information will have a cost.
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Geee, you don't happen to have a financial interest in this product do you??? If you really want to burn veggie oil rather than biodiesel, this group has 100's of 1,000's of miles of experience with thinning it and/or heating it to make it work better and more like petro diesel. You REALLY don't need the magic snake oil, which, through MSDS research, we have discovered to be not so magic. http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/5451014871 Oh yeah, and we don't charge anything and we don't have to keep our formula a secret. And really, it's not that hard or expensive to make biodiesel. I personally believe it's safer and easier than either DSE or blending/thinning/heating wvo. But hey, each to his own. Good luck with that. troy |
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This stuff works great. I have been running it in a 2002 VW TDI for 6 months now. Just as advertised, and nothing more or less. I am a very happy customer!! I have saved alot of money and time with their kit and instructions!!
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There is so much to be said here that I wouldn't even know where to begin. So all I am going to say is that you REALLY should read this entire thread, as well as a few others concerning WVO blending/ solvent thinning, etc. I think you'll change your approach. Tim |
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I'm new in this forum as you already know, with 2 years of experience in biodiesel, not much, as far as I know DSE is just another business, there is a bunch of other types of biodiesel in the streets, for example Esterhol with EPA approval and less expensive than regular biodiesel, does not have glycerin in their process. Biodiesel it's been in the street for a few years now, there must be something beyond biodiesel and we have to be prepared and accept it.
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Again, DSE is NOT biodiesel. It's just a recipe for blending WVO with kerosene and gasoline, and then put a very small amount of the DSE "magic ingredient" in the mix. It does very little if anything. Blending 85%WVO, 10% kerosene, and 5% gasoline by itself will do the same thing without the DSE...it's risky but works for some.
I wonder why each new person who posts here is brand new posting...and always has something good to say about DSE. DSE is not bad, (I got started with it myself), but the "magic ingredient is NOT NEEDED and DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. No offense, but neither does acetone added. 1985 Mercedes 300D, for sale, Heat exchanger and injector line heaters, all single tank. 1996 Suburban, 2 tank conversion. 1997 E300D awaiting conversion |
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How about Esterhol? Is it Biodiesel?
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And people wonder why there is confusion about biodiesel... Biodiesel was a name coined to describe something fairly specific. Applying it to other things, simply because they are also an alternative to petrodiesel, seems a little silly. Why call it something it isn't? It's not like calling a photocopier a xerox machine. For starters, Xerox invented it if I recall correctly, but they also are a brand commonly associated with it. A bit like a "stanley trimmer" or a "hoover". Calling WVO biodiesel is more akin to calling a motorcycle, a car. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but there is so much confusion ad misinformation out there in the general public (especially in relation to WVO and biodiesel) that I don't feel we should be adding to it, if we can avoid it. |
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It seems that whenever a new member posts to this thread, they are simply answering the question posed in the title "DSE Diesel Secret ??? Anyone know what they're selling?" It doesnt take much reading to realize that that question has been answered over and over again.
I dont mean to sound cynical and I'm not trying to pick a fight. And I'm certainly not trying to discourage asking questions. But if (new)people would just read even half of the thread, they wouldn't even need to post another statement. (It's likely they would be repeating someone elses previous statment anyway.) By now it seems there is nothing new to add to this discussion. If there is, then please by all means, add it. But good grief, we're going in circles. Tim |
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Possibly a topic for a new thread??? As far as I can find (and there isn't really much to be found) it IS biodiesel... with a brand name. The only thing I could find that explaind the difference was an article in spanish, translated (loosly) by google click here for article which states: "The only difference to biodiesel is that esterhol is processed completely “in cold”, explained the industralist." Sooooo... they just dont use heat??? Tim |
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in my Esterhol research I found that they do not use transesterification, they just blend their oil with some kind of "secret formula" and that's it! I will keep you posted...
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Your best bet is to buy or make BIODIESEL for it. If you had a $2000 car, try whatever you feel like, but I would not take chances with a V10 TDi. '05 Jeep Liberty CRD '83 Benz 240D with 617.952 OBK #35 When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace -- Jimi Hendrix |
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From their website...
http://www.dieselsecret.com/notbiodiesel.html "Is it biodiesel?" "Absolutely NOT. But over 20,000 people and companies worldwide have found it to be a better alternative." DAMN!!! I guess there really are 20,000 suckers out there!  -Graydon
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Oh look! We're famous! We're now even talked about on their site!!!
http://www.dieselsecret.com/competition.html Just warms my heart! -Graydon
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I also find it interesting that they claim to be a member of the Better Business Bureau and proudly display their BBB certificate on their website (which they're listing the wrong way by the way).
Then, if you go out to the BBB's website, lookee what I found! http://www.lafayette.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=90002984 Well, how bout that! It says that... This company is not a member. ...and also says that they have an unresolved complaint. Gee....nice to see they can tell the truth, eh? Makes ya really question everything else on their site. -Graydon
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lol Also from their website: http://www.dieselsecret.com/drdiesel.html This is completely untrue, and is an urban legend. From what I have read, he actually first ran his engine on mineral oil, and it was the french government who requested it be run on peanut oil, as they had an interest for using it in their african colonies. Diesel did not even conduct the demonstration himself. He did support vegetable oils as fuels however. Nice to see the misinformation doesn't only extend to biodiesel and their products... |
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If Diesel Secret is not a member of the BBB...
Then could they be prosecuted for either fraud or attempt to commit fraud by false advertising? The Powersmoke 1986 Ford F250 4x4 6.9L diesel Hypermax Turbo, C6 Automatic with shift kit, cowl induction (intercooler on the list), Frantz oil cleaner, Synthetics in diffs, transmission and transfer case. Gear Vendors overdrive installed. Mobil Delvac 15W40 oil with Powerstroke oil filter for 11 quarts oil capacity. Motor Silk Boric Oxide friction reducers in engine and transmission. More mods on the way. 1973 Dodge Monaco "Elwood", eventually to be converted to run on methane (biogas). Currently building a 'bio-bus', a 40' diesel bus with a massive onboard GL-type reactor with onboard workshop and diesel generator. Possible biodiesel classes may be taught as soon as the bus is done. And other wheeled secret weapons. |
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First off, you can't copyright a 'chemical process', it has to be patented in the US and other countries. If large chemical firms just 'copyrighted' their chemical manufacturing processes, everything you own would be free for the taking if you had just enough time. Second, if Diesel Secret is so awesome then why does it need a 'special ingredient' that can be just taken down to any GC and analysed? Making fuel in a trash can is no fuel for me thank you very much. There is still a sucker born every minute apparently. The Powersmoke 1986 Ford F250 4x4 6.9L diesel Hypermax Turbo, C6 Automatic with shift kit, cowl induction (intercooler on the list), Frantz oil cleaner, Synthetics in diffs, transmission and transfer case. Gear Vendors overdrive installed. Mobil Delvac 15W40 oil with Powerstroke oil filter for 11 quarts oil capacity. Motor Silk Boric Oxide friction reducers in engine and transmission. More mods on the way. 1973 Dodge Monaco "Elwood", eventually to be converted to run on methane (biogas). Currently building a 'bio-bus', a 40' diesel bus with a massive onboard GL-type reactor with onboard workshop and diesel generator. Possible biodiesel classes may be taught as soon as the bus is done. And other wheeled secret weapons. |
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