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Wisconsin Renewable Energy Bill IS DEAD! Way to go Wisconsin, Lets keep everyone unemployed, Lets keep teaching our kids clean and renewable energy is not as good as dirty dino fuel! This stuff makes me sick. Why wont the GOV even try! Thats all they need to do. Just try. Very angry. Sorry.

"Supporters said the bill would create thousands of green jobs and reduce the state's dependency on fossil fuels." http://www.wkbt.com/global/story.asp?s=12358150


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Location: Chippewa Falls WI | Registered: March 24, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Even on earth day. Thats really a kick in the ----


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Location: Chippewa Falls WI | Registered: March 24, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The problem is that the US is not serious about biofuels. PERIOD.

Look at the biodiesel tax credit as another example. It's lapsed since January yet foreign aid hasn't lapsed. This country needs to set its priorities. I know people don't care for the credit, but why should taxpayers keep supporting foreign governments with subsidies and cut off Americans.

We acquired a feedstock plantation in SouthEast Asia and the country is begging (and I mean begging) us to put in a biofuel plant - so we've been considering it. The full licensing/permitting fee are... get ready... $24 US dollars. Meanwhile, we're dropping cash like crazy to meet the EPA's RFS-2 requirements.

At some point you have to wonder if this country really serious about domestic energy or if they've just relegated the country to be 3rd or 4th best.
 
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The problem is that the US is not serious about biofuels. PERIOD....


Of course not, do the math. If all the used cooking oil and substandard oilseeds [the only cost effective domestic BD feedstock] were recycled for VO fuel then we might produce enough for a B4 blend in all diesel fuel. That would be a good plan since every percent of BD up to 20% significantly reduces diesel air pollution. Even if one can grow oil crops offshore, it still can't compete with petroleum at US fuel prices.

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At some point you have to wonder if this country really serious about domestic energy or if they've just relegated the country to be 3rd or 4th best.
REALITY CHECK

The US meets it's domestic needs for fuel with oil from the Americas. The other 1/3 of the oil the US consumes is for it's military, and it's cheaper to buy it from the Muslims and deplete their stocks quickly than it is to develop more reserves in the Americas. Oil is a finite resource, so is used veg oil, and the supplies of petro oil are nearly infinite by comparison. When petro oil becomes too expensive as a fuel feedstock then they'll use plentiful domestic supplies of oil shale and coal to make diesel fuel. South Africa does that now instead of buying all it's fuel from the Mideast.

VO has a useful role to play as a pollution reducing fuel additive that actually makes petro diesel burn better and more cleanly. Using the limited supplies in high concentrations as a motor fuel is just plain wasteful. There will always be those who make their own BD, but their 'free' feedstock will be ever more scarce in the future as soon as diesel fuel hits $3/gal.

For renewable energy to have any significant impact, then people would have to start consuming a whole lot less, and governments are run by people who are not going to commit political suicide and endanger their fat government pensions by increasing the tax on fuel to the level that renewable fuels would be economically competitive.



 
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What i dont understand is Why wont they even try. In a time when jobs are hard to come by and everyone is preachin GO GREEN wouldnt this be a great oportunity for the GOV to get some love back. To put solar pannels on a home costs a large amount of cash. The batteries are expensive and dont last very long. If they helped small buissness get up and running wouldnt it create jobs and lower prices. The same with Ethanol, bioDiesel and wind. Farmers could also get set up with those methan things. Not one is going to save us but if they put all those thing in play i belive it would at least let America and the rest of the world know we are trying and do care about not living in a bubble in the near future.


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Location: Chippewa Falls WI | Registered: March 24, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Dino diesel is government subsidies, in a way. The US Military is used to secure cheap sources of oil overseas. It takes a metric ass ton of money to keep the US Military in Mid-East countries to keep our fuel prices down.

If we removed our military from foreign soils (where we aren't fighting a war) then the cost of oil would go up and make alternative fuels competitive with traditional fuels. Lowered taxes due to lowered "defense" budget would help to offset the increased cost of fuel, but consumers would actually have a choice of which fuel they use (or blends). Right now, they buy whatever is cheapest.

Increased fuel costs would also spur real development in fuel saving vehicles due to consumer demand.

My 2 cents.
 
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What i dont understand is Why wont they even try. In a time when jobs are hard to come by and everyone is preachin GO GREEN wouldnt this be a great oportunity for the GOV to get some love back. To put solar pannels on a home costs a large amount of cash. The batteries are expensive and dont last very long. If they helped small buissness get up and running wouldnt it create jobs and lower prices. The same with Ethanol, bioDiesel and wind. Farmers could also get set up with those methan things. Not one is going to save us but if they put all those thing in play i belive it would at least let America and the rest of the world know we are trying and do care about not living in a bubble in the near future.


Here's the real deal...

This administration (and all of them for that matter) are in with the big boys. The plan is to have the EPA regulate the small players out of biofuel so that only the big petroleum companies are making/supplying biofuel. Want proof??? Look at the new RFS2 requirements: your facility has to be certified by an independent engineer, your RINs have to be CPA audited, your fuel must be tested inline/regularly tested and certified by an independent lab. Additionally, if you want to add an IRS classification, they have to come out and test your fuel AGAIN before adding the classification. Then look at the new ASTM specs. The latest spec (in comment) requires specific parameters for each glycerin type. Meanwhile, you can run your diesel on veggie oil.

Who but the largest producers/petroleum will be able to meet new regulations without blinking?
 
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