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In Athenian democracy there was the practice of ostracism where citizens could be banned from participation in public discussion by majority vote (they were compelled to leave town).

Currently the Terms of Service apply to the proper use of the Biodiesel and SVO discussion forums. However, the Terms of Service do not specify a uniform policy or rule set with which to apply a procedure for addressing disruptive forum members. As noted elsewhere(Sock puppet policy and removal), there is disagreement among members how to best address this situation. The administrators of the site have no source of input from the forum members regarding this matter if they so desire without exhaustively being given individual notifications.

In order to aid the site administrators in their decision making and to reduce disruption to the board, to promote harmony and cooperation among members, should the Biodiesel and SVO discussion forums establish a policy of ostracism to be enforced by the administrators (with their approval)? Names would be submitted for majority vote. If adopted, ostracized members will still be allowed to contribute financially to the forum.

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Should the forum establish a policy whereby members can be ostracized and banned from posting by a majority vote by members for a period determined by the boards administrators?

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Yes, estabish a policy of ostracism for disruptive board members
No, do not establish a policy of ostracism for disruptive board members

 

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Location: SW Oregon | Registered: December 15, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Read the book Lord of the Flies by William Golding for another perspective on this subject.

Any decisions are made by the forum owner, this is not a democracy. Those who don't like that policy can go start their own forum, with their rules.



 
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Aren't there rules/guidelines already in place for those that need to be banned?

Why are you trying to act like a foolish US politician and find a need to create more "laws?"
 
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Originally posted by rustycaddy:... The administrators of the site have no source of input from the forum members regarding this matter if they so desire....

Note the small yellow triangle in the lower right corner of every message block. Click on that to communicate with administrators.

It ain't broke; don't try to fix it. Learn how to use forum tools like your ignore list.



 
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If you really feel that way why don't you considering making a donation and becoming a forum sponsor. You can ask Shaun to keep your sponsorship anonymous if you prefer (if you haven't contributed anonymously already). That way you can exercise personal responsibility and become vested in the forum as a annual stakeholder. It is the best way to contribute materially to the forum and its ability to help the community.
 
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I would add; there is already an Ignore button; that is a perfectly acceptable form of ostracism. If one person ends up on enough people's ignore list, nearly nothing they say will be responded too.
 
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Given the lack of interest in this idea, I think you can safely assume it is a dead duck. Bumping the thread isn't going to get the support you want after this long.

Sounds to me like a real kindergarten approach in any case. IF you don't like what someone says, don't read it or ignore it. That's what grown ups do.... well so I was lead to believe anyways.
 
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The majority view is not necessarily a truth. Once the world was flat and the sun the centre of the universe. So what would have happened to Galileo and Columbus ideas if they were "ostracised" (as they were) on a forum such as this?

Maybe abrasive characters are there to ensure that the rest of us shine> LOL
 
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So what would have happened to Galileo and Columbus ideas if they were "ostracised" (as they were) on a forum such as this?


They were effectively ostracized for their views. Galileo's excommunication by the Pope was extreme for then. Their theories were eventually proven to be true.

Nobody is ostracized for their opinions, but rather it's because of their abrasive way of making every discussion subjective and antagonistic. Trolls always identify themselves by personally addressing someone on a public forum instead of objectively discussing the subject at hand. It's a form of grandstanding. If one puts them on an ignore list, and maintains the self discipline not to be goaded into reading their messages, then they become inconsequential and easily removed like erasing all the annoying advertising on any page.



 
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Hi John,

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Originally posted by john galt:
Trolls always identify themselves by personally addressing someone on a public forum instead of objectively discussing the subject at hand.
I have seen you write this before and I just want to clear up what you mean.
For instance, I notice a lot of people such as you just did reply to specific statements by people.
Do you mean that every person who posts a reply to a specific person is a troll?
Or is it just all people who post a persons name are trolls?
If the post is not directed to a specific person does that mean the person is not a troll?

Don't trolls live under bridges and eat billygoats?







 
Location: ลึก ประเทศอินเดีย | Registered: March 03, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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This post refers to Tillys rhetorical question "Don't trolls live under bridges and eat billygoats?"

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Hi John,

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Originally posted by john galt:
Trolls always identify themselves by personally addressing someone on a public forum instead of objectively discussing the subject at hand.
I have seen you write this before and I just want to clear up what you mean.
For instance, I notice a lot of people such as you just did reply to specific statements by people.
Do you mean that every person who posts a reply to a specific person is a troll?
Or is it just all people who post a persons name are trolls?
If the post is not directed to a specific person does that mean the person is not a troll?

Don't trolls live under bridges and eat billygoats?





I do not mean to be pedantic Tilly but there is no evidence that trolls eat billygoats. Your question refers to the popular children's fable/story "Three billy goats gruff". In the story all the billy goats made it across the bridge and were not eaten. In this story, all three (or three plus depending on your source) make it across the bridge to eat the lush grass.

The troll makes many threats to want to eat the billygoats. These could be simple threats so he has all the grass on the other side to himself. We simply do not know. If trolls like this were real then we would have to presume innocent until proven guilty.

A internet troll in common opinion is completely different. They are perceived to be not very nice people.

wikipedia has this to say

"Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.[37][38] The 2013 study suggested that there are a number of similarities between anti-social and flame trolling activities[37] and the 2014 study suggested that the noxious personality characteristics known as the "dark triad of personality" should be investigated in the analysis of trolling, and concluded that trolling appears "to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism."[38] Their relevance is suggested by research linking these traits to bullying in both adolescents and adults. The 2014 study found that trolls operate as agents of chaos on the Internet, exploiting hot-button issues to make users appear overly emotional or foolish in some manner. If an unfortunate person falls into their trap, trolling intensifies for further, merciless amusement. This is why novice Internet users are routinely admonished, "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.
 
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