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Questions for everyone to ponder, and perhaps answer in this thread, which I did not put in the politics section because this debate has been infiltrating biodiesel threads, and frankly, is at the heart of why many of us use biodiesel: 1) Much current research shows the average global temperature increasing more in the past 50 years than at any other point in recorded history. How can this be explained? 2) Hurricanes have gotten much more severe in recent times. There is the notion that global warming may be playing a destabilizing role here. What do you think about that? 3) If so-called "greenhouse gas" emissions are bad, why is that? Are there both accute and chronic effects of the accumulation of these gasses in the atmosphere? 4) There are many pictures available on the internet of retreating glaciers. Recent discoveries of corpses buried thousands of years ago suggest that glaciers are melting. Ice cores also suggest this, showing decreased salinity in ocean water due to increased melting of freshwater ice. If this is not evidence of global warming, what is it? If it is evidence of global warming, then does it make sense to look for the cause, to avoid the consequences that rising oceans, for instance, can have on the planet's inhabitants, including people in low-lying areas? 5) Do you care about declining population of polar bears, movement of plankton to the north and fewer whale births? Do you think these things could be pointing to the consequences of global warming? 6) If you look at the horizon on a warm summer day, you'll notice a haze. The haze is pollution, and the fact that you can see it lends credence to the idea that it is staying in the atmosphere and trapping heat, right? Kumar Plocher Yokayo Biofuels Yokayo Biofuels Facebook page .........../ \.............. fueling / R \ evolution since 2001 '''''''''''''/____\''''''''''''''''''' Sustainable Biodiesel... ![]() | ||
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![]() http://wattsupwiththat.com/200...he-context-of-scale/ Lord Monckton adresses a Greenpeace-campaigner on global warming and answers Kumar's questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzkB5DuveDE I'm an earth scientist and an engineer. I've been working in the field of energy conservation and alternative energy for 40 years. My 'eco-footprint' is far far less than the N.American average. My low energy house is heated by renewable energy, and the electricity is renewable source as well. My vehicle fuel is about 50% renewable. I use biodiesel to reduce pollution. I'm also smart enough to see through the AGW scam. | |||
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"John", neither the video nor you have addressed the following: Do humans create massive amounts of gasses that are trapped in the atmosphere and that keep heat in? If they do, how can you say that our effect is on par with the natural temperature swings of ancient history, as the guy in the video tries to do, and how can you say that we shouldn't take it seriously? And if you think that humans don't create gasses that act this way, how can you defend that position? Kumar Plocher Yokayo Biofuels Yokayo Biofuels Facebook page .........../ \.............. fueling / R \ evolution since 2001 '''''''''''''/____\''''''''''''''''''' Sustainable Biodiesel... ![]() | |||
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Then I ask you the same question I asked "John Galt" (see above). It would seem to me that if you agree that we are dumping massive amounts of material into the atmosphere that hold heat in, then we are aiding global warming, and that is something we should address in an effort to preserve the delicate balance of resources we depend upon to survive, both now and in the future. Of course, if you don't agree about that, then it follows that there is no responsibility to do anything. But be careful, you can't agree, and then say you don't have a responsibility. You can't have it both ways. Kumar Plocher Yokayo Biofuels Yokayo Biofuels Facebook page .........../ \.............. fueling / R \ evolution since 2001 '''''''''''''/____\''''''''''''''''''' Sustainable Biodiesel... ![]() | |||
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ok..do humans cause global warming? let's back up.. what happened the ozone scare.. did it go away or was it just media hype? was it real to begin with? I think was a natural event..nothing to do the CFC's.. now about C02.. a real problem? or a long term natural event? no one alive today has been around long enough to know. in fact recorded records are long enough.. the last ICE age was 10K years ago. do we know that in 10yrs the cycle won't start downward..global cooling? NO..we don't we can only guess and look at trends..sometimes this trends point in the wrong direction. I don't know if this is the case.. DO volcanic erruptions release CO2 and other gases? you bet they do..how much is released? by this natural event? for hurricanes this year..WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?? if global warming theories are true we should have had another bad year..but we didn't?? HEY I'm not complaining here..thankful instead..we do get hurricanes in NC after all.. what we all need to be worrying about..is our foot print left on the earth.. 1. how much water do you use..what's it source? 2. how long do you let you car/truck idle? I'm some other boards where members let their truck idle for 30-60minutes just to warm up? I think this is BAD! and no it doesn't matter how cold it is outside..if the oil flows it lubricates..it doesn't need much warm up time. now that said..emergency vehicles..different category. 3. how many people just let there car/truck run at idle..when its hot or cold..I see more when it hot. but that's latitude for ya.. '84 bluebird school bus, DD8.2L turbo( 4/2011, the bus tranny has died.. ![]() ![]() 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD ![]() 99 dodge 2500 5.9l 24v..-mine ![]() everything run B100 when its warm enough ![]() | |||
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It's sure a great way for us to keep transfering wealth out of the United States on our road to becoming a third-world nation. I can't believe anyone buys into this crap. In fact, I'm disappointed in myself for dignifying the topic with a response at all. Cheers, John | |||
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In order for there to be a scam, there has to be some kind of ill-gotten gain. Where's the gain? Where are the rich scientists? You're essentially saying that the majority of climate scientists around the world is basically an industry of fraud, so you tell me, why? Kumar Plocher Yokayo Biofuels Yokayo Biofuels Facebook page .........../ \.............. fueling / R \ evolution since 2001 '''''''''''''/____\''''''''''''''''''' Sustainable Biodiesel... ![]() | |||
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John, I don't see the connection. Kumar Plocher Yokayo Biofuels Yokayo Biofuels Facebook page .........../ \.............. fueling / R \ evolution since 2001 '''''''''''''/____\''''''''''''''''''' Sustainable Biodiesel... ![]() | |||
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I hate to break up the party boys and girls, but this whole conversation is a moot issue in my mind. Like so many other problems in our world, we are missing the bigger picture. It doesn't matter if global warming is real or not. What matters is what we do, or don't do about it, and the consequences of being wrong. Think about it... Just my 2 cents. (EDIT) Changed Mute to MootThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Murphy, www.MurphysMachines.Com The best Do-it-Yourself Construction Plans on the Internet! Waste Oil Heating - Biodiesel Systems Biodiesel Pumps Made In The USA | |||
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murphy.. wrong like the ozone scare? or right about the ozone scare..that never was about CFC's but about cheap refrigeration for 3rd worlds countries?..maybe the volcano near the antarctic that caused the ozone depletion? not the R12. maybe the global warming isn't an issue but a way to push a political agenda? for whose? I don't care. I think everyone must be good stewards of the earth..in everything we do.. so if anyone care..I don't run BD to not use dino oil..I'm cheap..and its a good idea..it to cost more to make BD than buy dino..hum..I'd buy dino..that said.. I do respect those that would pay more for BD just because..for what I need to drive the cost is too much..fyi if you think a fill up that cost $50 is too much your not close. I normally put 80-90 gallons at a time in my bus and that last 10-12 days..so about $250 every 10-12 days..got the idea..I'm cheap.. how do we know its not the remove of trees and forest that causing global warming? cows? -dkenny '84 bluebird school bus, DD8.2L turbo( 4/2011, the bus tranny has died.. ![]() ![]() 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD ![]() 99 dodge 2500 5.9l 24v..-mine ![]() everything run B100 when its warm enough ![]() | |||
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5 scientific tests of the hypothesis that CO2 from human activities causes global warming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHZOYtAztU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IHKfzDdn8 Watch the video, draw your own conclusions. It's not 'massive' on a global scale, and the amount and significance of that 'aiding' is the point of contention. The point is that it's not significant.
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European fraudsters steal $7B in carbon credit scam Carbon Credit Scam For the scientists committing fraud it was the gain of fat government grants to 'prove' the AGW agenda. Most scientists are not interested in personal wealth. The much bigger motivation factor is how many staff they can hire, so the staff can feed the publication mill that makes the scientist famous. Fat government grants and contracts = more staff and more power within the academic system. | |||
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Last week in Denmark, world leaders like Bobby Mugabe and Hugo Chavez received standing ovations to the idea that N.Americans should be paying a hefty 'green guilt' 'carbon tax' so our governments can send money to Bobby, Hugo and their friends to maybe plant trees, so that maybe the planet won't get warmer. The warm mongers are severely out of touch with reality.... Europe has outsourced it's dirty business, imports it's oil and shuffles it's energy programs between nations to give the illusion that something is being done. North America does the heavy lifting and has other issues. How many European forests are available as carbon sinks? How much oil do they produce, how about coal? Importing manufactured products then preaching to the rest of the world how clean they are is fraud, as is adjusting research data to fit preconceived conclusions. The recent carpet baggers convention was an attempt to tax functioning economies into paying for the slackard socialist way of life that the politically correct have developed. This whole thing is a naked attempt to redistribute wealth to those who find it easier to tax than work.This message has been edited. Last edited by: john galt, | |||
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sorry not sure who Bobby Mugabe is..but I could careless about Hugo..global warming or otherwise.. Hugo is a dictator!! to me this is wrong! first prove global warming is human caused!! sorry this hasn't been done! sure temp might be rising for record history..UH!! for the last 200years..out of at least 6000 years humans have been around. 200 out of 6000+..0.03..not enough time to tell anything. don't take that statement to mean we should care about the environment..NO WE MUST CARE!! we all have only one place in space to live!!..if we cannot live here..then where.. I don't care for the hpye/mis information/ misleading facts..opinions that make others wealthy.. so anyone know what happened to the hole in the ozone layer that was going to destroy us all?? gee maybe CFC aren't that bad..but someone made money by forcing the switch from R12 to R134? what's wrong with propane?..please don't think I kidding here..it makes a great replacement for R12..in a sealed system..flammability shouldn't be a problem. unless the conditions are just right it less flammable than gasoline.. I think our leaders were misled on its dangers..STOP AND THINK HERE..an AC system might hold..2 LBS!!!..YES THAT MUCH..slightly more than a disposable propane torch!!..but your gas tank..is ...well 1 cup is equal it 1 stick of TNT!! but this is safe? 1 gallon is 16 cups or 16 sticks of TNT?? this is safe?? HOW? thankfully most on this site use Diesel or better yet biodiesel.. ![]() so why not use it..if am AC system must be evacuated..what's done with 'dirty' R12/R134.. dirty propane..take it home and make dinner. ![]() -dkenny '84 bluebird school bus, DD8.2L turbo( 4/2011, the bus tranny has died.. ![]() ![]() 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD ![]() 99 dodge 2500 5.9l 24v..-mine ![]() everything run B100 when its warm enough ![]() | |||
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One way to spot a scam artiest is their story keeps changing. "Global warming" became "climate change" because the warming was not happening. Had to change the story. You will always be correct of you claim change will happen. I have done a little research on what could, or would, warm a globe. I have heard people are the problem. No, wait, it is cars. Did we say cars, we meant cows are warming the globe. The story keeps changing. ![]() ![]() ![]() People, cows, and cars did not not warm the globe. Could it be the sun? ![]() Yes the sun can warm a globe. I need some grant money to continue my important research. | |||
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/...S/globalwarming.html http://network.nationalpost.co...09/12/18/370719.aspx Part 1: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9118 Part 2: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9120 Part 3: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9121 Part 4: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9122 Part 5: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9123 Part 6: http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9124 http://wattsupwiththat.files.w...re_anim_hi-def3.gif\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2wFk4iVA8 Graphic, may be disturbing to some: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...t/article6949625.ece ** Biodiesel Glycerine Soap - The Guide - on 5 continents helping people make & sell soap from the Biodiesel Glycerine. | |||
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Its called climate change. There used to be dinosuars walking around and now there is not. There used to be no coal in the Powder River Basin and now there is. Climate change is very real, its been happening for awhile. 1992 F350 w/Cummins 2004 F250 w/Edge Platinum both on B100 | |||
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What? There hasn't been a major hurricane outbreak since 2005. Funding for Dr. Gray needs to be endend since you brought it to my attention. 1992 F350 w/Cummins 2004 F250 w/Edge Platinum both on B100 | |||
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