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Originally posted by kumar:
Questions for everyone to ponder, and perhaps answer in this thread, which I did not put in the politics section because this debate has been infiltrating biodiesel threads, and frankly, is at the heart of why many of us use biodiesel:

1) Much current research shows the average global temperature increasing more in the past 50 years than at any other point in recorded history. How can this be explained?

If you devided up a clock face to represent the four point five billion year age of the Earth then put recorded history on that clock face it would be nano seconds, in unrecorded history Earth has warmed enough to evaporate the Mediteranian and gotten wet enough to make the Sahara green and fertile

2) Hurricanes have gotten much more severe in recent times. There is the notion that global warming may be playing a destabilizing role here. What do you think about that?

Hurricane intensity and frequency has always been variable, this year ther were no dangerous hurricanes that affected the U.S.

3) If so-called "greenhouse gas" emissions are bad, why is that? Are there both accute and chronic effects of the accumulation of these gasses in the atmosphere?

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is like a transparent blanket, sunlight passes through but and the radiant heat it creates is held in the atmosphere, the "chronic" effect is rising atmospheric temperatures

4) There are many pictures available on the internet of retreating glaciers. Recent discoveries of corpses buried thousands of years ago suggest that glaciers are melting. Ice cores also suggest this, showing decreased salinity in ocean water due to increased melting of freshwater ice. If this is not evidence of global warming, what is it? If it is evidence of global warming, then does it make sense to look for the cause, to avoid the consequences that rising oceans, for instance, can have on the planet's inhabitants, including people in low-lying areas?

Earth has gone through countless warming and cooling periods since it cooled from a molten ball, it will continue to do so long after humans have become extinct or have moved out among the stars. Unfortunately global warming has now become the world third largest religion so no meaningful causal dialog is possible any longer

5) Do you care about declining population of polar bears, movement of plankton to the north and fewer whale births? Do you think these things could be pointing to the consequences of global warming?

Yes x 4

6) If you look at the horizon on a warm summer day, you'll notice a haze. The haze is pollution, and the fact that you can see it lends credence to the idea that it is staying in the atmosphere and trapping heat, right?

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Originally posted by DCS:
I believe the earth may be going through a warming cycle but mans influence on that is impossible to determine because we have not had the technology to monitor things long enough.

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Originally posted by john galt:

I'm also smart enough to see through the AGW scam.

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Originally posted by dukegrad98:
It's sure a great way for us to keep transfering wealth out of the United States on our road to becoming a third-world nation.

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we are dumping massive amounts of material into the atmosphere that hold heat in, then we are aiding global warming,

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The media, special interest groups, and even some government produced literature all report that CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas. I was at the Canadian Museum of Nature a few months ago where a traveling display was set up that clearly, and erroneously I might add, indicated that CO2 was the most important greenhouse gas. The number one greenhouse gas is actually water vapor. It's something like 98 percent, by volume, of all greenhouse gases. I like the way that my colleague, Jan Veizer at the University of Ottawa, a world-renowned expert on the carbon cycle, lists the relative importance of greenhouse gases when he speaks on the topic. He points out that the number one greenhouse gas is water vapor, the number two greenhouse gas is water vapor, the number three greenhouse gas is water vapor, the number four greenhouse gas is water vapor and CO2 is a distant fifth. Of course, this list is somewhat facetious as there is only one type of water vapor. However, he lists the relative importance of greenhouse gases this was to indicate just how insignificant the tiny carbon dioxide cycle is to the water vapor cycle that it piggybacks on. To give you an example of this comparison lets consider the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. In the 19th century, when the world was relatively unindustrialized the level of CO2 in the atmosphere stood at around 285 ppm. By 2003 the level of CO2 in the atmosphere, primarily the result of industrialization and land use changes, stood at 376 ppm. The resultant influence on climate has been minimal. Computer models say that this increase in CO2 should have heated the Earth up significantly by this stage. However, very little warming that can be attributed to CO2 has actually occurred.


Now lets have a look at what happened during 1997-98. There was a major El Nio on in the equatorial Pacific, that many of you may recall had a significant influence on global weather. However, it also a major influence on global temperatures. They started to go up in response to the enormous amount of water vapor that was pumped up into the atmosphere. In just a few months global temperatures spiked by nearly 1 degree Celsius above what they had been before. If you watched any television at the time you would have heard newsreaders on all networks, almost gleefully exclaiming that we were seeing the major global warming that was supposed to occur. Much to their disappointment temperatures quickly dropped off again, within a few months, as the El Nio ebbed. That collapse in global temperatures didn't get any coverage by the media though. And, so, there we were, right back to normal. This example of El Nio fueled injection of water vapor into the atmosphere provides a very good example of the relative impact of CO2 and water vapor as greenhouse gases.

But what about CO2 and climate change? Atmospheric CO2 concentrations have increased to 376 ppm in 2003, about a 30 percent increase from pre-industrial times. Most of that increase has been due to fossil fuel burning and land use changes. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. CO2 can and does have an impact upon global temperatures. But what impact will it have? The idea put forward by the IPCC is that CO2 the major greenhouse gas and any increases in the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere will cause a major warming in earth's climate. This scenario is at odds with the empirical evidence recorded in the geological record. http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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n order for there to be a scam, there has to be some kind of ill-gotten gain. Where's the gain?

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Originally posted by kumar:

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Originally posted by dukegrad98:
It's sure a great way for us to keep transfering wealth out of the United States on our road to becoming a third-world nation.

John, I don't see the connection.

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Last week in Denmark, world leaders like Bobby Mugabe and Hugo Chavez received standing ovations to the idea that N.Americans should be paying a hefty 'green guilt' 'carbon tax' so our governments can send money to Bobby, Hugo and their friends to maybe plant trees, so that maybe the planet won't get warmer.

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everything run B100 when its warm enough

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1) Much current research shows the average global temperature increasing more in the past 50 years than at any other point in recorded history. How can this be explained?

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2) Hurricanes have gotten much more severe in recent times. There is the notion that global warming may be playing a destabilizing role here. What do you think about that?