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Found this post on "SVO Refueling Stations".

It mentions "BJs wholesale clubs" and links to a location finder.

BJS location finder

Costco location finder

Sams club location finder


I imagine that it would be smart to link to BJs as well as the location finder webpages of Sams Club, Costco, etc. on the "location finder" page for the VO Depot. In fact..it might be smart to offer 35# cubees of SVO as well as 35# cubees of WVO (at a lower cost of course).

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This is interesting..Smarterfuel

Apparrently there is ALREADY someone trying to set up a network to sell wvo as FUEL in the US.

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GOT GREASE? WE DO!
Need Vegetable Oil? We sell it here at GREASECAR! Please call (413) 534-0013 for pricing and availability. You can also visit us M-F (9am to 5pm) at 933 Main Street Holyoke, MA 01040. Smarter Fuel is recycled vegetable oil processed specifically to be used as a replacement for diesel fuel. Industrial cleaning techniques are used to remove far more solids than any commonly used filtering system. Additionally, the International Organization for standardization (ISO) code for particle count in hydraulic oil is the standard each batch of conforms to. This allows Smarter Fuel to run as reliably as diesel fuel in properly converted vehicles. Please visit www.smarterfuel.com for more information.

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Wow...
Smarter Fuel is a bit expensive:

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WVO Business Opportunities

We are looking to expand our fuel supply network. Franchise opportunities exist for those interested in collecting and processing waste vegetable oil. Start up costs are approximately $100,000 if you currently do not have collection equipment and routes. Interested companies can contact info@smarterfuel.com

As far as "getting away with it".

Yes, they do mention TAXES:

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To Purchase WVO from Smarter Fuel

Our current price for processed WVO is between $2.75 and $2.95 depending on state road taxes.

I guess their prices aren't too different from Diesel, but at least their customers are saving the planet.

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Originally posted by keelec:
Wow...
Smarter Fuel is a bit expensive:

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WVO Business Opportunities

We are looking to expand our fuel supply network. Franchise opportunities exist for those interested in collecting and processing waste vegetable oil. Start up costs are approximately $100,000 if you currently do not have collection equipment and routes. Interested companies can contact info@smarterfuel.com

As far as "getting away with it".

Yes, they do mention TAXES:

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To Purchase WVO from Smarter Fuel

Our current price for processed WVO is between $2.75 and $2.95 depending on state road taxes.

I guess their prices aren't too different from Diesel, but at least their customers are saving the planet.

But how do they prevent being shut down by

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The EPA

competing

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gas stations

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OSHA, DOT, FDA, Business Licensing, etc.

(slight sarcasm)

Again..no one is suggesting not paying taxes that are due.

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Originally posted by keelec:

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WVO Business Opportunities

We are looking to expand our fuel supply network. Franchise opportunities exist for those interested in collecting and processing waste vegetable oil. Start up costs are approximately $100,000 if you currently do not have collection equipment and routes. Interested companies can contact info@smarterfuel.com

As far as "getting away with it".

Yes, they do mention TAXES:

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To Purchase WVO from Smarter Fuel

Our current price for processed WVO is between $2.75 and $2.95 depending on state road taxes.

I guess their prices aren't too different from Diesel, but at least their customers are saving the planet.

All this talk about a wvo fuel distribution network is great and all, but I don't see how it makes sense to work against, or compete with, the current wvo collection companies that service the nation. The startup cost given is $100,000, which isn't really an exaggerated price. My fanily's 200 restaurant service route covered a large area in NE Wisconsin, and generated $12-18,000 per month in revenue, depending on the market price for wvo.

If they were still in the business, they would have been selling their oil for record high prices of $29.00 per hundredweight, or 29 cents per pound x 7.63 = about $2.25 per gallon. Tuesday's report This is the same oil that was worth half that amount for most of the preceding 8 years. It was heated and gravity settled and used as a fuel additive at a rate of 95% for many years before they started selling their surplus on the animal feed market as wvo.

So the way things evolved over the years, my uncle ran his semi to the first million miles on a 95% wvo blend, and was instructed by the DOT that since it was an additive, he only owed taxes on the 5% diesel that he used. His 7-8 other vehicles had conversions of some sort and also ran blends of wvo additive.

So those tax laws have now all changed, obviously, but besides that, I think that it makes more sense to work with what we have now, rather than trying to redesign the whole thing. Rendering companies have all the oil now, a lot of them make biodiesel, they have connections to other industries that use heavy equipment that could run a wvo/diesel/biodiesel blend of some sort, and they have the $ to put into equipment at a fuel depot somewhere like Gary Indiana, where they could test-market selling the product to truckers directly, most of whom are aware of biodiesel and would only have to be educated on the differences and similarities between bio and wvo.

check out www.rendermagazine.com for the inside scoop on what the industry is talking about. This conversation is worthwhile, but it should go in an entirely different direction if we really want to do this and not just keep on pontificating to one another.

Rendering companies are probably a good source of UVO is you want at least a few hundred gallons and it's not available for free. I doubt if they're interested in selling clean dry UVO by the cubie.

In Manhattan, NYC, restaurants pay $50-75 per drum to dispose of their oil. It is kept in the basement and pumped out with special trucks that are small enough to navigate the alleys easily. They generally have one drum that they fill with 'cubies' stored where they can find room, as the drum is being pumped, so they get 2 drums worth of oil removed for the same price, saving money. The trucks are also fitted with meters and run on tight schedules designed around the wacky one-way street system.

If anyone wants to confirm this, just do a google maps search and start calling some random restaurants and asking them yourself as I did about 4 years ago as some first-level research for someone in Brooklyn.

Knowing about things like this is, and things like state regulations, the DOT's viewpoint, market trends for wvo etc are why I think that talks like this one make for little more than fantastical castles in the air. Still fun to think about, though.

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I don't see how it makes sense to work against, or compete with, the current wvo collection companies

They are not excluded from participating.
I doubt any will want to, but I don't see any reason that if they wish to they cannot.

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Originally posted by danalinscott:

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I don't see how it makes sense to work against, or compete with, the current wvo collection companies

I doubt any will want to,

If there's money to be made (profit), I think they might be interested.

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Originally posted by clean and green:

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Originally posted by danalinscott:

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I don't see how it makes sense to work against, or compete with, the current wvo collection companies

I doubt any will want to,

If there's money to be made (profit), I think they might be interested.

Possibly once the concept is proven and the volume is up.
Most I have spoken to over the years did not seem interested in the extra processing required to produce wvo that is of sufficient quality when they can just fill yellow grease contracts.

Here is an eye full...

http://www.montgomerycountymd....veggie-oil-exchange/

Montgomery County, MD actually promotes the exchange of WVO from restaurants to WVO-car users. They advertised it, have a web page to promote it *AND* have included a page for suppliers and users to post requests for exchange.

Now that is the kind of cooperation we need to spread the word on.

This is how to do it.
http://domesticfuel.com/2009/0...iotrucker-biodiesel/
Biodiesel is the VO fuel of the future; SVO is a dead-end road.

Was contacted by a co-op that is in a tourist area and collects about 3 times as much WVO in the summer as winter. This puts them in a bind. They don't want to store more than a one month supply but cannot stop collecting from sources in the time of overabundance or they will lose those sources to rendering companies.

29 more to go!

Just came across this thread again and wondered how far this scheme progressed, if at all?