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vormax with a coolant wrap
Omar
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Location: Kirkland | Registered: 10 January 2003

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Joe_M

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any other heated wvo filter ideas out there?
Omar
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I've posted this HE before, but always thought to put it on a seperate filer head with coolant flowing through it(as it was designed to do). But it occured to me the other day, why couldn't you just leave it on the block and run th VO through the water side and the engine oil running through the other side? You would then be using engine oil to heat the VO. Faster heating and higher temps I would think. Comments? Sandwich HE

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If a vormax is heated why wrap it with hot hose? I live in the pacific northwest and I don't really know if it's really necessary to heat my wvo filter itself or just install a vegtherm before it. Winters are mild here. I wonder about the practicality of installing an oversize diesel filter (from a locomotive or something) and putting a vegtherm in front and behind it close to the IP (this filter to be used on veggie line). The reason I thought about this is that by using a huge filter, the loss of flow caused by cold veg would likely be minimized by the increased surface area of the larger filter media. By using two heaters, I can be heating up the veggie that slowly pumps into the big filter while also making sure that the veg going into the IP is hot enough. Make sense? Any other ideas?

Registered: 26 September 2005

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Omar

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by using a coolant wrap on the vormax I get about 10% more heat ... keeps the large filter warm on the snow storms over MT. Shasta...
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Location: Kirkland | Registered: 10 January 2003

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jeepin, moggin Jessup (coachgeo)

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Your not going to be driving "over" MT. Shasta LOL. You can drive up it to the ski lodge but ya ain't going to drive over it any time of the year. 7 glaciers on top of that thing along with some of the most beautifull cloud formations anywhere.

Unless your talking about heading up to the ski lodge; I know where you mean. I think the name of that cold spot your speaking of that is an eye blink between city of Mt. Shasta and city of Weed on I5 is actually called Mount Eagle?. Heck I forget the name. Maybe that is cause; like many others before me, I slipped on Black ice at that spot and rolled my jeep down that stupid bank with no gaurd rail. for the tune of 11,000 dollars in damage. Idiot hwy designers. I do miss the beautiful Mt. Shasta mountain and some friends up that way though.

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Omar

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yes I was on the hwy that goes by MT. Shasta however on this day it sure felt like I was driving over the MT.
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Tofir Mira

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Hey there Omar,

Thanks for the site glass idea for air leaks.

The filter that I run is the best that I could find... and I challenge a better filter.

This link may be too large...
http://www.parker.com/EAD/displayCatalog.asp?menu_parke...type=1&sMode=Details

Maybe this...

http://www.parker.com/ead/cm1.asp?cmid=392
Try going
1. to the home page "(above)
2. then to products
3. next to fuel filtration
4. and then to mobile filtration
5. finally to TURBINE SERIES

The turbine series is the best system that my friend benjy and myself could find... HEAT, Dewater, and Filter all in one.. We call them.."R2Grease2".

I have the 500 FG in my F-250, and Benjy has the 1000 FH in his School Bus. They have a centerfuge system that has worked for me-- dewatering about a half a cup for 9,000 miles.

There is a hot plate that sits in the filter.
Green Marine in New Orleans has filters on sale..40 % off!! about $6 for a 10 micron filter.

I think the whole set up is about 300$.

Check it out... It rocks!1

Topher

Location: New Orleans and Massachusetts | Registered: 19 July 2006

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pizzaman

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http://www.msnusers.com/veggiefilter/shoebox.msnw this is what I use. I get 160 F with no electric heat at all as cold as 18 f outside so far

86 F250 veggie since May 2005 25,000 miles and counting

78 Benz 300D converted Feb 2006 2,500 miles and no longer counting

92 F250 converted on May 2,2005 14
000 miles and counting

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Location: New York (south of Buffalo) | Registered: 02 May 2005

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Soyburban

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Pizzaman,
Did you make that thing?
Looks great. I thought you used to have a glow plug screwed into the bottom of a filter or something like that....

Cheers!

1993 GMC Sierra 6.5L TD converted 6/19/07. 2 tank, heated pickup, HIH, coolant HE, electric and coolant heated filter. "Blend Loop" gradual switchover. Running great with 15,000+ WVO miles, 350,000 total miles

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pizzaman

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Soyburban,
I designed it and had a local machine shop build it. It works really well and the lid is used to T the diesel side and Veggie side together eliminating a ton of fittings and no chance of getting any cold VO to the ip in when you switch to VO. On purge the Vo is washed from the lid to the ip. Lid also has the ports for all guages and air bleed. I have been using it since May and recorded over 20,000 miles on my 92. I love this thing. I have put four of them on friends cars this summer and they all have had great results too.
Next one is scary, 2003 F350 6.0 liter. I am scared of this one as I have heard horror stories about this engine on petro

Location: New York (south of Buffalo) | Registered: 02 May 2005

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drewlock

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Originally posted by Tofir Mira:
The turbine series

I have the 500 FG in my F-250,

Green Marine in New Orleans has filters on sale..40 % off!! about $6 for a 10 micron filter.

I think the whole set up is about 300$.

Check it out... It rocks!1

Topher

Green Marine Also sells the filter but as A Marine Application (500-MA)
http://www.marinefilters.com/productdetails.php?number1=1&modelnumber=W500MA

They refer to the coast guad not approving an FG as an MA.... but would it matter for us in our trucks?

I have a 96 f-250 and am researching the WVO heated filter i want to use..... green marine has great prices!

Drew

Location: Albemarle, NC | Registered: 24 September 2006

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patcarr

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looked at the link. doesn't appear these filters are heated with either coolant or electricity? are they?

pat

quote:
Originally posted by Tofir Mira:
Hey there Omar,

Thanks for the site glass idea for air leaks.

The filter that I run is the best that I could find... and I challenge a better filter.

This link may be too large...
http://www.parker.com/EAD/displayCatalog.asp?menu_parke...type=1&sMode=Details

Maybe this...

http://www.parker.com/ead/cm1.asp?cmid=392
Try going
1. to the home page "(above)
2. then to products
3. next to fuel filtration
4. and then to mobile filtration
5. finally to TURBINE SERIES

The turbine series is the best system that my friend benjy and myself could find... HEAT, Dewater, and Filter all in one.. We call them.."R2Grease2".

I have the 500 FG in my F-250, and Benjy has the 1000 FH in his School Bus. They have a centerfuge system that has worked for me-- dewatering about a half a cup for 9,000 miles.

There is a hot plate that sits in the filter.
Green Marine in New Orleans has filters on sale..40 % off!! about $6 for a 10 micron filter.

I think the whole set up is about 300$.

Check it out... It rocks!1

Topher

Registered: 15 January 2006

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Omar

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For you guys that go to pull a part ... here is one for you to try...
O
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http://www.biotuning.co.uk

Heated filter pulled from a Puegeot 405 - could be found in a scrap yard near you.

Smartveg Heated Fuel Filter. We are now fabricating these heated fuel filters, which are available from stock. A stainless steel heater spike runs from the top to the bottom of the spin-on filter, heating the contents of filter from the moment the vehicle starts to warm up. The head and spike arrangement also warm the oil on entering and leaving the filter. Fuss free and mess free filter changes. (No more spilling half a pint of oil like as with a CAV filter). No tools required. Changing the filter couldn't be easier.
http://www.biotuning.co.uk

Location: Kirkland | Registered: 10 January 2003

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Very nice Omar! Stainless heater spike running right through (almost) the core of the spin on filter. It's about time someone made something like this. The reason that I have so far resisted buying a coolant heated veg filter is that although I can afford it, I'm too cheap to buy a Vormax, a Davco or a Racor. I just can't pry the $500 CAN (approx) out of my wallet to buy a filter system that is only heated in the head. This is for the same logic behind The GFS theory: heat exchanger efficiency depends on material selection (stainless vs aluminum etc), surface area and transit time (flow rate). I just can't believe that cold veg trickling into a heated filter head, then passing through a large cavernous UNHEATED filter core and then trickling back out the filter head will have enough transit time in contact with the relatively small surface area provided by the filter head to get significantly hot (warm maybe). I'm sure that there is decent (slow flow) transit time, but I think the surface area in the filter head is neglegable. Putting a loop of stainless steel tubing full of hot water INSIDE the filter core (where it counts) changes everything. Progress.

Registered: 26 September 2005

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I wonder they come in my size (7.3L F-250). Omar, do you sell these?

Registered: 26 September 2005

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I was just looking at an older thread titled: "Racor leaking around the midsection" started by Barclay Brown. Onboard filtration is necessary but challenging. All that thermally induced expansion/contraction. Makes me wonder if that ever leads to parts failure(metal fatigue). Disimilar materials usually have different co-efficients of thermal expansion/contraction. Most svo products are optimized for our application, not engineered from scratch. I doubt that the dino diesel filters we use were engineered for the kind of broad temp ranges that svo users demand from them. I wonder how many of us have had problems with oil leaks or air bubbles because of this?

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Registered: 26 September 2005

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Barclay Brown, not Barclat. Sorry.

Registered: 26 September 2005

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Very nice Omar! Stainless heater spike running right through (almost) the core of the spin on filter. It's about time someone made something like this. The reason that I have so far resisted buying a coolant heated veg filter is that although I can afford it, I'm too cheap to buy a Vormax, a Davco or a Racor. I just can't pry the $500 CAN (approx) out of my wallet to buy a filter system that is only heated in the head. This is for the same logic behind The GFS theory: heat exchanger efficiency depends on material selection (stainless vs aluminum etc), surface area and transit time (flow rate). I just can't believe that cold veg trickling into a heated filter head, then passing through a large cavernous UNHEATED filter core and then trickling back out the filter head will have enough transit time in contact with the relatively small surface area provided by the filter head to get significantly hot (warm maybe). I'm sure that there is decent (slow flow) transit time, but I think the surface area in the filter head is neglegable. Putting a loop of stainless steel tubing full of hot water INSIDE the filter core (where it counts) changes everything. Progress.

I asked the vendor about this one---they are not recommending them as they are having problems with them.

Registered: 16 August 2006

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Omar

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I found the uk heated filter online while I was working on my Ebay store ... I know a few folks that are working on the idea ... nothing on the market yet for the public ... untill then I use a coolant wrap to keep the WVO veg warm
Omar
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PS
Tom how is your heated filter idea is it working yet?

Did the uk folks say what the problem was with their heated filter unit?

Location: Kirkland | Registered: 10 January 2003

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