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NO, this was one I got as a sample, it had the wierd solder on connector on one side (that I tapped) and 3/4" NPT on the other that I used with PEX fittings

Referring back to Omar's posting of some photos of a HE installation to a Dodge, the Kaori instructions say the HE must be installed in an upright position. The installation photos show it laid over on it's side. Apparently this may cause problems with air locks and problem flows - but if it works okay, I guess you've got it sorted.

It's my instal that Omar posted at the top of this thread - with a link to my site. Like he said I'm regularly getting 60°C 140°F out of it and running around 50% WVO and diesel. Given it's summer here, and 39°C forecast for today - that's around 105°F from memory - I'm expecting a few degrees even higher.

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Tim

John,

Greatest apologies, it was you that started this thread, not Omar!

Perth is 32° south latitude, and on the west side of the continent, so probably a similar climate to San Diego in the US. Hot summers in the 90°F 35°C and mild winters where 10°C is a cold day. Is that around 50°F??

Straight Canola is fine here, but as the Wizard of Oz tells me, the WVO from chip shops gets contaminated with the thicker oil from precooked chips, so we end up getting a mix of oils, some thin at ambient, some thickening. Mixing it all in with diesel seems to work fine for me so far.

My HJ61 with the 12HT factory turbo direct injection motor, Nippondenso inline pump, has a lot of fuel returning to the tank in normal running, so the heated oil returning to the tank also heats the rest of the oil.

I may have problems into winter months running higher concentrations of oil without tank heating, but for now it's fine.

Tim

I'm looking forward to getting my new FPHE from Omar, but I'm not sure where to put it.

In loop:
The advantages would be that it would be heated just before the IP and my temperature gauge so I know exactly how hot it is. The downside is that it would be after the filter.

Out of loop/Before the filter:
This would make the fuel pass through the filter better, but it would not be looped- I could however move the loop to include the HE. I would not know exactly how hot it is until after I switch because my temp gauge is the last thing before the IP.

I kind of like the idea of keeping it in the loop. This would also be after the switch- so it could heat my biodiesel as well. This wouldn't be a bad thing because I would know how hot it was getting and could switch sources when the fuel is warm enough.

What are you all doing?

I placed my HE right before my valve on the WVO line. I heat my wvo filter also; I used a T to connect all the hoses together. Anyway my vote is WVO filter * HE * sight glass * Valve * inline heater * sight glass * Temp gauge sensor* IP
Your HE is in the Mail as of Friday should be there early next week good luck post some photo's O

You should heat your filter or at least Dana Wrap it ... are you using a Hose On Hose or Hose in hose to heat the wvo line from the tank? are you heating the tank?

John,

Thanks for the advice. I did search before anyway: all the words "loop" and at least one of the words "flat plate heat exchanger FPHE HE". I admittingly didn't go through all 24 pages of results, but did not find anything that sparked my attention.

Anyway, back on topic.

Omar,

Thanks, I got the HE today actually. My favorite hardware store is closed today so I'm going to get the parts I need tomorrow and try to install it next weekend.

My tank is coolant heated- it comes through a HIH and then a coolant wrapped filter. That should be enough to get it flowing through the filter, so I'll put the HE after the filter:

Tank -> HIH -> Filter -> Lift Pump -> Switch -> HE -> VegTherm -> Temp Gauge -> IP
I will post pictures for sure.

MIX

Omar- How do you have your FPHE and filter wrap plumbed? From the pictures you posted it looks like you have Teed into the hot coolant running to the heater core, then Teed into this line to heat your filter. So you are running three parallel heating systems, your heater core, FPHE and filter wrap correct? How has this set up been working for you? Do you have a HIH or HOH running to your second tank and if so where does it get plumbed into the mix? Thank you. -Bryan

You are right I have everthing T together... I do not use a heated tank just wvo (good quality non hydrogenated) filtered to 10mic. I use a small facet pump at the wvo tank to push the wvo from the tank to the wvo heated filter ... kinda like having a full tank (the psi is about 4)... I will shoot some photo's and post it later have to go did everyone get their HE yet?? O

Oh ... how hot is the WVO at the IP I am running about 140F to 190F outside temp went down to 27f the other day here in seattle.... later on O

Thanks Omar. I got my FPHE today. I assume that the fluid to be heated should enter the blue ports and the heating fluid should enter the red ports, or does it even make a difference? Is that arrow a "this end up" indicator, a flow direction indicator both or neither?

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Originally posted by Bryan Kast:
Thanks Omar. I got my FPHE today. I assume that the fluid to be heated should enter the blue ports and the heating fluid should enter the red ports, or does it even make a difference? Is that arrow a "this end up" indicator, a flow direction indicator both or neither?

I think you're right about the arrow- although FPHEs still work fine in other orientations.

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Thanks Ryan

I received the FPHE safe and sound. Thanks Omar! If the weather holds I'll install it tomorrow and post photos.

It's hard to express my satisfaction with my new heat exchanger. Here's how my installation went.
Hopefully there pictures load correctly...

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Fuel path:
Coolant Heated Tank -> HIH -> Coolant Wrapped Filter -> Lift Pump -> Switch -> FPHE -> Vegtherm -> Thermometer -> IP

The results:
The outside temperature was in the 30sF. I decided to test the FPHE without assistance by the Vegtherm. After idling for about five minutes, my thermometer was quickly approaching 90F, much faster and hotter than my Vegtherm had ever done under these conditions.

Later that night I took it for a spin. After 1.5-2 miles (city driving) the thermometer read 120 so I switched to vegetable oil. This also happened to be the point where I jumped on the express way. The fuel steadily climbed to 145F and slowed its assent but continued climbing to 155F.

On my way home from the bus wash it was steady in the upper 160sF. I turned my Vegtherm on out of curiosity and it climbed above 200F. I’m not sure I’ll even need my Vegtherm anymore- maybe just for starting.

I am very pleased and excited that now I will be able to actually use SVO on my daily commute!

Pictures don't work for me either. I will be making the bracket to install mine today. I’ll post pictures when I am done. Hopefully I will have temperature results by the end of the week.

Weird. After I made the above post the pictures started working.

Funny: The pictures did load for me earlier today and now they didn't. I just updated the link and they show for me now. Please let me know if you can see them.

I drive this beast:

It's a 1992 Ford Econoline E350 Minibus.

quote:

I lived near Irondequoit Bay as a kid, are the winters still as brutal?

Lake effect is a *****, yes.

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I'm sorry folks- my pictures disapeared because yahoo photos generates a link for the picture, but it is time sensative. I'll have to upload them one at a time...

Here is the heat exchanger with insullation.

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