2004 F250 6.0L.

just went to do my first oil and filter change and fuel filter change.

$15.78 for the oil filter at walmart.
walmart didnt carry anything else so i went to the auto parts store.

$120.00 for the oil.

$72.00 for the fuel filters.

$135.78 for an oil change ?

$72.00 for fuel filters? i know i get two for that price(engine and HFCM), but still.

is this a normal price ?

this is my first diesel, are they all this expensive ?

i do 30,000 miles a year, this is going to cost me more then fuel or converting it to WVO!

That's pretty standard for the two filters the 6.0 takes. If you convert, you'll almost never need to change the stock filters, since you'll be driving on WVO. Helps with your ROI.

Craig

Hi Frank,

Uhm, who's robbing you? I have a '93 F350 7.3L and pay $20 for fuel filters and oil is $10 a gallon (I need 10 quarts per oil change).

Last time I did an oil change I was lazy and had a shop do it, which cost $50 (included oil and filter).

Check with you local cheapie Auto parts store (Autozone, Pep Boys, etc.) and I'd guess you'd get much better prices.

Michael

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Originally posted by Dieselrover:
That's pretty standard for the two filters the 6.0 takes.
Craig

Craig reminds me why it's suppose to be better to convert an older diesel. . .

Dieselrover -

i was planning on converting this vehicle, with your system. been putting it off because i have been putting my time into collecting/filtering/dewatering. i want to get that figured out first. and i have been thinking of selling this and coverting something else. its just getting too expensive. i do 30,000 miles a year, which helps. but even with less fuel filter replacement on WVO, the motor oil is still $120.00.

thanks for the response though.

MichaelF350 -

i have no idea if you can compare the price of the 6.0 filter with the 7.3. i think the 6.0 is very different, so you cant compare.
the oil they had was $8.00 a quart, i need 15. they didnt sell it in gallons, but it would be $32.00 for four quarts. again, i dont know if you can compare them. ford recommends the syn. for me. im guessing yours isnt the syn.

thanks for the Autozone, Pep Boys, etc. suggestion. i will try them.
i think i will try finding an older diesel too.

The 6.0 is over $60.00 at NAPA for fuel filters, when I had my 7.3 it was cheap and easy.Fords better idea... dgf

oem motorcraft fuel filters pair shipping included $45
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Powerstroke-6-0-Die...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

off brand listed on ebay was 49.95 fuel filter oil filter and oil...

i just checked autozone online.

$76.99 for the fuel filters.
its cheaper to buy it at my local, not discounted, parts store.

anybody want to buy a truck ?

i just changed the fuel filters.

im6under-

thanks, that takes some of the sting out. i will try ebay next time.

unless i sell it first.

i just realized my filter isnt even motorcraft.its WIX. wonder how much more the motorcraft is?

The 6.0 needs MUCH better filtration to keep from tearing up the IP. 5-10 micron particles are the perfect size to get inbetween the moving parts in the IP and tear it up.


I have a bunch of good info on filtering here:
http://www.fryerpower.com/store/page10.html

-Jim

Jim D -

thanks for the link. took a quick look at it. will read it all later. looks like a lot of good info.

but,just because i know why the filter costs so much, its not going to make me feel any better about spending that much.

You mentioned you drive 30,000 miles a year. That is about what I drive a year.

In that period of time I've driven 25,000 miles on WVO and saved close to $2,300 in direct fuel savings. I have not spent that on oil and filters in that same period of time.

B&E -

so your saying, in the long run,after i switch to WVO i will save money? what i save in diesel i can spend on oil and filters ?

im just starting to wonder if i might be better off converting a different truck.

it will cost me $1,246.68. assuming i change oil and filters 6 times in a year.

assuming i save same amount in diesel that you did, $1,053.32 saving per year.

i guess your right. in the long run i would save.

I know what you are saying.

I think it would be a good idea to find out what the specs are for the filter and find a better source. Do you have any part numbers/descriptions for the filters? I can help get the specs and cross reference them.

Heck, I sell 1 micron absolute filters for just under $48 plus shipping. It is double length (8+ inches long) and dynamic rated synthetic media (holds on to dirt when jarred better than non-dynamic rated media). 1 micron absolute (99.5%) may be overkill for you. If you know what level of filtration you need I can get filters that are rated higher.

One of the links above (the CAT filter one?) is a narrative from a guy who installed the Nicktane filter kit. (I am not affiliated with either of them. I just thought it was a good site/link.)

-Jim

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Originally posted by xfrank12:
it will cost me $1,246.68. assuming i change oil and filters 6 times in a year.

assuming i save same amount in diesel that you did, $1,053.32 saving per year.

i guess your right. in the long run i would save.

It seems like you should add fuel filter part of the $1246 to your savings if you convert, and not subtract anything. You would spend that if you ran diesel, if you run WVO you will be adding a different filter with hopefully much cheaper replacements. This means you should need to replace the expensive diesel filters much less often. And for the oil part of that, you will spend the same whether you run diesel or WVO.

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Originally posted by SunWizard:
It seems like you should add fuel filter part of the $1246 to your savings if you convert, and not subtract anything.

Subtract out the initial cost of installing a separate filtering system. Even if you do not go to a WVO system you should put a filter in before the Ford filter. I looked at the filter set up they use. I cannot provide elements for this. That fuel filter looks pathetic! I had heard that Ford was still using weak filtration on the 6.0 and that was the reason for the IP failures that they have been having. Put a 5 micron absolute or smaller filter in before this Ford filter. You will get better filtration, cheaper replacements, and might never have to change the Ford filter again. Get something like the Nicktane kit or buy a filter assembly from me. No skin of my nose on which way you go. If you want something like my set up, but want something like a 3 micron absolute (99.5%) I can get it. It should be cheaper than the 1 micron filters that I sell. They all fit on the same filter head so you could get the one micron set up and then get 3 micron replacement filters in the future.

Buy from where you want, but get better filtration than what Ford has in there!

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You would spend that if you ran diesel, if you run WVO you will be adding a different filter with hopefully much cheaper replacements.

Absolutely agree with this.

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This means you should need to replace the expensive diesel filters much less often.

Absolutely!!

thanks everyone for giving me some options.

i know i would spend the same amount on oil and filter changes weather i change or not, and i would change the fuel filter a lot less often if i converted, but i am still wondering if i might be better off with a different truck.

winter is coming fast, so i have all winter to think about it. i cant convert in the winter.

Jim D -

yes, those are the filters you linked to.
the larger one goes in the HFCM on the frame, under the cab and the smaller goes on the top of the engine.

thanks for the suggestion of installing a cheaper filter before the stock filter.

I think cheaper is the wrong word. Ford has locked you into their design. They are overcharging for the replacement elements. There are better filters that are also less expensive. Cheaper has such a bad feeling attached to it.

-Jim

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Originally posted by MichaelF350:
Hi Frank,

Uhm, who's robbing you? I have a '93 F350 7.3L and pay $20 for fuel filters and oil is $10 a gallon (I need 10 quarts per oil change).

Last time I did an oil change I was lazy and had a shop do it, which cost $50 (included oil and filter).

Check with you local cheapie Auto parts store (Autozone, Pep Boys, etc.) and I'd guess you'd get much better prices.

Michael

IDI 7.3s take far less oil than the DI motors. My gen 1 PSD takes 16 quarts. I use Delo and get 6 gallons for $45 at costco. If you go with Amsoil or red line you pay a bunch, but $120 for short interval changes is paying way to much. Amsoil is designed to go a lot farther than that with just filter changes.