With these prices more and more people will be doing it. I had an interview in the paper a year ago or so and I told them my favorite and best place to get oil. Now I can never find any there and its getting harder to find elsewhere. I won't be telling anyone about this anymore.

No.

How about a poll?

I still think until there are MANY more diesel model cars & trucks we are pretty safe. Also, I would say 90% of the diesel owners who "discover" the WVO way to run their vehicle will decide it's too much work, or they get too dirty, or they don't want to risk damaging the vehicle, etc.

Dang, if you want to secure your oil source ask the place to use your barrels, and set them up a couple 55 gal drums with grates on the lids to pour in, but not take out. You keep the key to the grate lid.

share the knowledge. dont be scared, we all have the right to breathe cleaner air.I love telling people about it.I would never give up my best spot to a reporter, though.

well you are the chump who went and did the interview and told everyone in town where to get free fuel - what do you expect?

BG..three posts to date and ALL of them more suited to the GreaseCar forum. ALL critical..and none containing a question or offering a suggestion.

Please moderate yourself.
This is not that kind of forum.

I think this will stay a hobby.

The gov't will never promot WVO since they will miss the taxes.

plus there is just not enough veggie to power all the diesels already out there.

Most people drive in town and it's a real hassle to collect and use it. bulk storage. set up costs & time if you only drive locally.

Hard core commuters benefit, like me. I clock 100 miles just going to work so it adds up.

The feds will never let truckers use it without lots of regulations and taxes.

I say DO NOT go out of your way to promote it. Keeps the Feds & EPA & rendering companies out of our business. People like us who are interested in it are more than capable of finding us and info. Can you say google? The real WVO fans will find our community and people like us on their own.

I talked to my MacroEcon teacher about this in the short-run to long-run consumption function idea(about the gov't getting into biofuels). He seemed to think that gov't influence on this won't be for another 25 years. He didn't see it feasible for the gov't to be interested in biofuels with the current oil deposits. As long as the gov't stays out of it, this will stay with the hobbiest and small users he said. Big oil companies have too much pull on the current situation.
Milton Friedmen said: "The social responsibility of business is to make profit."
I think until oil becomes very scarce their will be no need for the gov't to be interested in it.

I think studying the economy is of great importance to this matter. I wish I could understand it better.

I am not one to shout this idea from rooftops though, I think it should be kept to those that go after it on their own.

In Germany, the situation is very different.

The goverment artificially raises fuel prices to 5 Euros ( $6 USD )/ US. gallon.
This creates a voracious market for SVO at 2.5 Euros / US gallon.

There are 10's of thousands of SVO conversions in Germany. And several dozen SVO fuel stations.
A trucker in Germany can save $20,000 USD annualy with SVO.

I'd be very happy if the local wvo supply dried up to wvo'ers. Think of the environmental benefits!

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Milton Friedmen said: "The social responsibility of business is to make profit."

Frankly if the Govt would just get out of the way economics would do the rest at the current fuel price.

And the expeced rise in coal use will take care of implementing Algal oil research on a commercial scale. From that point on economics IS the only driving force needed. I would be happy if the govt just stays out of the whole VO/PO thing.

Actually i make a good point, which is that all the people out there patting themselves on the back for running grease and telling every person with ears about it are really doing nothing for the "movement" (which is not a movement at all, but, at present, a motley crew of self interests - just look at how much fighting there is among those using this forum to pimp their kits and plans).
The original poster seemed surprised that he told the whole town where to get free fuel in a newspaper article, then seemed surpised when he went back and the grease ran dry. So he answered his own question: if you want to run grease, then stop telling all the world about it. It is only a matter of time anyway before the gov't and the renderers shut the scene down anyway like in CA. So save a few grand while you can, sooner or later you will be back at the pump - at least some of you.
-Rog

BG - Can you expand on:

"It is only a matter of time anyway before the gov't and the renderers shut the scene down anyway like in CA."

I'm in Southern California and and haven't noticed anything so far. Is there some new law or wvo police?

There's a law that says you need a license to transport the stuff. It's $175 for the year. Big deal.

Then last year there came a new law that said you need to carry a $1M liability policy to qualify for the license. An umbrella policy from your friendly neighborhood insurance man will suffice. Figure ~$300 per year for that. On the other hand if you own a home in CA you really ought to have the umbrella policy anyway. I had been kicking the idea around for years before this new law got me off the dime to actually do it.

To answer the original question: Of course it's not time to stop promoting it. Actually what's happenning now is great. There is starting to be a wider range of choices available for people to fule their cars with. Forget the money you save... for me at least there was a great feeling of liberation just having an alternative to what I had always doen for fuel. It's going to get even better as alternatives start to be available for gas burners (Ya I know everybody has issues with corn and all that ... give it time it's a step in the right direction just like biod...).

Just me $0.02. And if you're worrind about yoru source... jeez man just develop a relationship with your sources so they save the stuff for you inside the restaurant. Keep looking until you find such sources, and drop the ones that are more difficult to deal with as you find really good ones who will do stuff like that for you. To me... the benefit of getting to the game relatively early is not that you get the oil all to yourself, it's that you get to be picky about your sources. THAT may change over time. Get good sources lined up, develop the relationships, and remember that like everything else in life or business if it's going to last at has to be a good deal for both parties.

Charlie

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Originally posted by dang10010:
With these prices more and more people will be doing it. I had an interview in the paper a year ago or so and I told them my favorite and best place to get oil. Now I can never find any there and its getting harder to find elsewhere. I won't be telling anyone about this anymore.

I worry about supply as well.I went to Par-Kan in Silver Lake Indiana and bought four containers to put behind my reserants and they where happy to make the change to me becouse I dont charge them.My company is Up For Grease LLC.Now I worry about peaple stealing my grease.Once its in MY container it is mine.So buy a container and you know you will get some oil.
Greasal converted 1996 Ford F-250 4X4