tcr1016,

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We see more that are done DIY but done right (plumbing and right temps when switching over). I have personally visited some houses to look at the processors to help, but most were done right.

I appreciate your good intentions.

If you have real, specific, clear info about engine failures cause by BD, please let us know. Particularly if you can prove that it was the BD that caused the issue. Then, track down which BD it was.

Same goes for SVO. Track down the actual root cause.

The problem I have with some of your posts, like the one quoted, is that I can't tell what you are talking about. The word processor is normally applied to a machine to react BD in. I guess the thing in the car the heats veg oil would be a conversion. I think it would be really helpful if you kept at least those two terms clear. That would be a start at least. Then, if you can describe how you know that it was the veg oil, or BD that caused the issue, that would be good too. Then, it would be good if you could provide info about what the conditions were. Was it too cold for that fuel? Did the fuel contain water? How much? Etc, etc.

Clearly, there are ways for both BD and SVO to go wrong. There are also ways for them both to go right. If you have info that can describe in concise terms what separates the two, that would be helpful.

But, it terms of feedback- what you have given us far is pretty vague and not too helpful. At least so far.

well I would have to say out of my 4 trucks ,2 tractors and one d8 dozer . I am finaly having problems with the 96 ford. after 400,000 miles there are leaking injectors . I would have to say yep
it was the biodiesel. I am worried because my 2000 ford that I drive is fast reaching 200,000 miles . could the biodiesel ruin it also ???? the 09 ford only has 30,000 with biodiesel even though ford says that biodiesel will not run in the new truck ya! right



sir the one thing you have to remember is that you are a mechanic and the only diesel enjines you see will have problems .
you will almost never see all the enjines running on well made biodiesel, that have no problems . but if you would like you can come down here to new orleans and ride with one of my guys or myself in a truck running b100 . you can even ride in the wore out 96 f250 with 400,000 miles on it .
with 400,000 miles on it

p.s. I have to WARN YOU that the 2000 f350 4x4 has a super chips program ,banks turbo,a large intercooler and a six speed standard . the last comment by a uninformed passenger was . was that a corvette you just passed ?? and are we really doing 140 miles an hour? naww the gps is off and the corvette must have bad gas running in it. rotflmao

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I am not here to change people, just to show our findings and the proof we have that engines are being ruined by this fad.

Proof would be helpful.
So would clear answers to the questions asked of you by several of the posters in this discussion.


I am not seeing much of either so far.

So far several individuals including myself have requested that you provide more info but you don't seem interested in doing that. Soon it is going to be hard to take your claims seriously since it clear concise information of that type that can provide the only basis for the credibility of these claims.

Believe it or nott here are individuals who make up posts such as this simply for "sport" and it would be a shame if you have legitimate information to share here which could be helpful and were simply dismissed as someone trolling this forum because you did not want to make the effort to present it.

What proof do you need? I explained it before what is happening. Soon I will post some pics on YouTube. But I need permission before I do that by the owners. Most are pissed as He** that they were mislead getting into WVO by forums and media. One even said he will sue this forum, but I told him he couldn't. I told him that is was his decision to use WVO.

Again I just post these to warn people from the fad since fuel is high. We all know that when fuel goes down people will be less likely to risk thier engines.

I know people will be critical, but mark my words when you have thousands in repairs. I know this will not happen to all, but most.

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What proof do you need? I explained it before what is happening.

Actually it doesn't appear that you have explained much at all as far as I can see.
You seem to have provided some pretty vague statements even though repeatedly asked for more specific information.

For example when asked questions regarding how the VO fuel used in these engines was processed (prefiltered and dewatered) you said

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We filtered according to heating and settling and centrifuging.

Can you explain in more what you meant by that?
Simply not adequately dewatering wvo fuel might easily explain why your shop is seeing so many failures.

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This is everything substantive that you have written in this thread:

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I am seeing ALOT of diesel from Cummins, PSD, Duramx, CATs, Mercedes, and been ruined by WVO and biodiesel. We see clogged injectors, ruined IPs, Ruined lift pumps.

Some people I have talked to that brought thier trucks in did the filtering correctly

We filtered according to heating and settling and centrifuging. But we had and see problem in running WVO and biodiesel. We do not blame the bio or wvo till we can prove it.

Heating still does not help the problem.

Just got another engine in today with coked injectors and blown IP. I am so amazed on what people are doing to engines. But when asking people the average is 30,000 miles after they start running WVO before problems. But the 96 Cummins today is at 45,000 on WVO, well processed.

We see more that are done DIY but done right (plumbing and right temps when switching over). I have personally visited some houses to look at the processors to help, but most were done right. END QUOTES

The problems that you are seeing are: clogged injectors, ruined lift injector pumps, and ruined lift pumps. From your description, it seems that you are seeing it in every diesel engine sold in America, as well.

You say that you don't blame WVO and biodiesel until you can prove it, but you are not giving a description of your proof except that quoted above. This is not proof. My Volvo had 67k miles on it when I bought it. It had been driven primarily on short trips throughout those miles, and only on the crappy petro-diesel then sold in the US (as opposed to the crappy diesel sold now). Guess what? The IP needed a complete rebuild from the filth in the petro-diesel and the inappropriate use of the vehicle by the previous owner. The diagnosis was from one of the most experienced Bosch techs in North America.

You say some people filter properly, but you don't say what precisely that is. You also say that you use heat and settling and centrifuging, but you don't describe the process. Believe it or not, these things matter. If you have really read what is posted here, you see that the variety of ways that people mess these things up is quite broad. So for you to demonstrate proof that what you are seeing is what you are saying, you tube won't do it. Start by really describing what you have seen in damage, in detail. Then describe in detail the filtering procedures that you are talking about. Or the biodiesel processing...

There are a lot of people on this board (and others) who have been doing this for longer than the time frame that you are stating that it takes to show the unavoidable failure that you claim here to be inevitable. What you are saying does not agree with the objective reality experienced by most of the posters here, so if you want people to take this seriously, you have to make more of an effort than you have thus far. Making and posting a video is a lot more trouble than writing adequate explanations and answering questions. Why would you go to so much trouble if your purpose is truly to warn people who are doing this? We are here.

Very few people in this town use any sort of VO based fuel. However the diesel mechanics are always busy dealing with exactly the same problems the mechanic has posted here: "clogged injectors, ruined IPs, Ruined lift pumps." Unfortunately, they can't just blame it on biofuels.

Dirty wet fuel kills diesels; i.e. it's the dirt and the water that causes the problem.

If this guy can't come up with substantive data then he should take his fear mongering elsewhere.

We need this guy to spread his message to diesel users and reduce the competition for used VO. I'm sure there are all sorts of Dodge, GM, and Ford diesel forums who would just eat this stuff up like gospel.

I have a few people around this area that have had problems with their trucks due to fuel ,BUT when I started looking into how they made their fuel I found a hard headed screw up that new nothing about what they were doing. I am not sure if they do not know how to read or just plain stupid . I have heard how they did every thing just right and this just does not work and it is a scam . I have seen a ip off of a aggreco generator over in Natchez mississippi that was gunked up with glyserol hmm. I asked if the fuel had been washed the reply was uhhhh no . what was the titration of the wvo the reply was uhhh what is a titration ? I don't like to post things like this, because I have such a good out look on this fuel with all the miles and hours I have on my equiptment . I trust it more than the crap that you get at the pump. the time I invest on making sure that my biodiesel is at the highest quality is worth my while . there is a crawfish farmer out in Lafayette Louisiana who clogged his injectors on a late model ford. he was making a delivery to a friend of mine. when my friend told him that i was making bio diesel the first words out of his mouth was, that sh** does not work.
I ended up making a 2 hour ride to Lafayette to check out his fuel. on a 327 test I had 2ml of drop out. he was using a book by the tickels. I would love to name some names here but to protect the idiots i will not . since I have been making bio diesel I have come across 5 people in my area that have screwed up their trucks /equiptment. each due to NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE DOING OR BEING HARD HEADED AND NOT LISTENING TO WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. In all honesty I am sure you are seeing people with problems due to fuel , but if you investigate into what they are doing you will find screw ups . as instrument and analyzer tec. if i take the word of every operator about every broken instrument I would be chasing my tail all day ,every day. look and see for your self. if the customer or you are blaming the fuel , and you know enough about making and using bio fuels then investigate and find the problem other wise to sit in a mechanis shop and ***** is just a waste of time and breath . the key here again is to KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING . because you can't make a call on the supposed bad fuel until you know how to make it, or to use the equiptment properly.

Well stated!! The simple fact remains that the average deezul dumphuck whose ONLY interest in VO based fuels is to get cheap fuel for their fuel guzzling truck, simply does not have the perseverance, diligence and attention to detail required to successfully use VO based fuel.

Almost every day this forum and others like it get questions like: "Tell me how to run WVO in my truck, I don't have time to learn what you all know."

Yeah, John, and then they don't listen to the answers. I guess there isn't enough time...

Like my granddad used to say
"If you haven't got time to do it right at first, then you likely don't have the time to fix it when it goes wrong."

Oh well, all the more VO for those who know how to make it work correctly.

Amen

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Originally posted by tcr1016:
What proof do you need? I explained it before what is happening.

I know people will be critical, but mark my words when you have thousands in repairs.

Mate, I am SINCERELY with you!
I think it's great you are warning people and stopping them making terrible, expensive mistakes.
Every one knows veg oil has caused problems, there is no doubt about it and I think it is about time we stopped the flood of people wanting to use veg before they realize just what it can do.

The media have made a big fuss over this veg thing largely because of the current green band wagon and an expert opinion and insight is just what is needed to balance things up.

Keep Up the good work and warn as many people as you can!

Tcr1016- I look forward to seeing those youtube videos or any/ postings/ blogs detailing all of the different failures you are seeing . Maybe this information will help the people who are still willing to accept the risk identify and correct the " weak links in chain " .

what id like to know is, are these problems Tcr1016 talks about on newer engines? common rail & computer controlled or is it random?

i also agree with Dana that part of the newly occuring problems are with kit manufactures. i say this because i to was misled by probably the most well known (to the general public) manufacture in that all i had to do was filter the oil as i was pumping it into the truck. a financial setback kept me from getting that kit and i am thankful for that cause after reading this forum for the last eight months i realize it saved my engine.i still dont have a conversion yet because i dont think my knowledge of filtering,dewatering&seperating is at the level it needs to be.i also know i tend to analyze things more than normal,but hey thats just me.

this all leads me to agree with DCS the general public needs alot more education on whats involved with running wvo, but theyre not gonna get it from the news. after all who wants hear the media tell you how much time and work you have to put into this.all those of you who dont want other people hornin in on your oil just teach them whats all involved with collecting,filtering,dewatering,hotplating and i would guess that 9 out of 10 will say oh f*** that and keep running on dino diesel. after all most people are lazy, i mean look at it this way why dont you see gardens in peoples yards hardly at all anymore? because it takes to much time to plant,water,weed,harvest,&can. its much easier and faster to go to the store and get what you need.

heres the bad part of lack of education if these problems that Tcr1016 talks about ARE on late model vehicles it wont be long before the owners start *****in to lawyers,congressmen,and buracrats and before you know it the government will get involved and we all know what happens when the gov. gets involved.just look at a certain state on our left coast theyre only one small step from banning private individuals from wvo.they cant make use illegal but they can make possesion illegal,look at marijuana its not illegal to use it its illegal to possess it.

and i know right about now alot of you are saying thatll never happen. well lets look at history,in the 80s when three wheel atvs got popular sales skyrocketed, shortly thereafter injuries and deaths from their use skyrocketed what did the gov.do? they banned the import and sales of new machines because after all it had to be the machine,not peoples lack of knowledge that was the cause

imo what needs to happen is some kind of educational program has to be developed and i think it has to start with manufactures and installers since they usually have first contact with newbies,but i realize they cant do it on their own. i think that the wvo community has to be the next to get involved to further the effort.

this may sound crazy, but think of the consequenses. sharing your oil supply with the greaser down the street will be the least of your concerns.

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are these problems Tcr1016 talks about on newer engines?

That's what he says in the messages here, what else have we got to go on?

The very best thing for the VO fuel community in general is to have these sorts of warnings broadcast far and wide. The fewer misinformed amateurs using VO then the more supply available for those of us who know how to make it work.

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imo what needs to happen is some kind of educational program has to be developed and i think it has to start with manufactures and installers since they usually have first contact with newbies,but i realize they cant do it on their own. i think that the wvo community has to be the next to get involved to further the effort.

What would you suggest the "community" do that it is not already?

Maybe John Galt's right. With folks like tcr1016 spreading the alarm, maybe most will move on and let we who are capable use the limited resource and be rewarded for it.

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Originally posted by UFO:
Maybe John Galt's right. With folks like tcr1016 spreading the alarm, maybe most will move on and let we who are capable use the limited resource and be rewarded for it.

The amount of wvo being used by those processing it at home for use in their own conversions is literally a "drop in the bucket" compared to what commercial biodiesel plants are collecting. Blaming "newbies" for the increasing competition for wvo is completely off base in all but a few extremely rare cases.

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Originally posted by danalinscott:

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Originally posted by UFO:
Maybe John Galt's right. With folks like tcr1016 spreading the alarm, maybe most will move on and let we who are capable use the limited resource and be rewarded for it.

The amount of wvo being used by those processing it at home for use in their own conversions is literally a "drop in the bucket" compared to what commercial biodiesel plants are collecting. Blaming "newbies" for the increasing competition for wvo is completely off base in all but a few extremely rare cases.

But if the "chicken littles" such as tcr scare people away, there is less demand for all biofuel. I'm just playing devil's advocate, it's not like any of this can be guided with any coherence.