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Thats because most of them were not members of this forum and when we heard that our boy was being blasted, we came to stand up for him.

Probably not all that helpful.
A flamefest rarely instills customer confidence.

And because the possibility exists that all of the posts are from the same individual on an anonymous forum they don't carry all that much weight for the average reader.

Centrifuges are a good investment for those who use lots of wvo fuel..as in thousands of gallons or tens of thousands of gallons a year. But for most they are not a practical investment.

Well Jondeere, I think after reading your attack that you probably own some or all of the new centrifuge company.
I have owned a WVO Centrifuge for almost a year and find your rant to be a direct attack , not based on anything other than "spin", do you have political ties? In order to say anything negative about a product, you should have 1st hand experience and not just spin up something from who knows where. I have dealt with Leon G. at WVO and found him to be a fair business man who follows through when he speaks. He doesn't claim to have invented Centrifuges but has put a good working one on the market, his centrifuges are being used commercially and doing very well.
He does not attack other products like you have done. When he is asked to speak at Biodiesel conventions or by Engineering groups , he does so, to help move forward the WVO and Biodiesel industry as a whole , not to slander a person and a Company, which you have done.
If I was Leon G.. I would be contacting a lawyer to start a lawsuit to stop people like yourself who are obviously out to ruin the good name he has developed. Yah, it's okay to say how good a new product is but you crossed the line numerous times when speaking about Leon and WVO.His products work just fine and I have personally referred two other individuals who have purchased from WVO, one is an engineer and is very satisfied.Professional engineers like the product, why don't you?
Waving the flag does not justify an attack like this.
Would I do business with Leon and WVO in the future? Absolutely Yes.Would I refer them to others, Absolutely Yes
As for Simple Centrifuge, I would distance myself from this "Jondeere", you are being painted with a brush that puts a tarnish on what is probably a good product.

Johnny K
a satisfied WVO user

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Originally posted by jondeere:
Hi folks, I've been watching the forum for a while now; and decided I had to jump in so I could share some information and thoughts. First off, using a CF is the only way to go for cleaning oil! But as we all know, not all CFs were created equal.
I don't want to get into the "Who came first" discussion, because I don't think it really matters that much. The market has been created and is going strong. I would say to the guys at Simple Centrifuge: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Until now there hasn't really been that much to distinguish the different CFs from each other besides price and quality of construction; the mechanisms have remained pretty much the same. However... that is all about to change. Simple Centrifuge has come out with their new design that makes the competition look more like a "Sit 'N Spin" in comparison!
The new unit is much more efficient than their old design and the imitators' products. They have a higher price, but much better product. You get what you pay for. the new feed cone design is brilliant! It completely resolves all of the old splash issues that were common in CFs. Seriously, my hat goes off to these guys. I have watched this company continue to move forward and innovate, these guys have been at it a long time and they seem to stand behind their product. Simple Centrifuge would definitely be my first choice, i wouldn't waste my money on anything else.

There is one other thing I'd like to add, and this is just to vent a little about the current economic situation:

The Raw Power Centrifuge is the most inferior cheap product of any. It has a cast bowl (very low quality), not a good design on the bowl either. I think the worst thing is that it was Stolen and copied and sent overseas for cheap production. How do you control the quality on something like that? Where is your personal investment; can you really stand behind such a product? It's not about the product, it's all about making a quick buck. This is why we (America) are in an economic depression right now because of guys like this, shame on you Leon! Support AMERICAN INDUSTRY; BUY AMERICAN!

Have a nice day.

I have been using Leon Griffin's centrifuge a little over 8 months. I centrifuge 800-1,000 gallons a month. It is far superior to filter bags, or anyother device I've seen on the market. It is a quality piece of equipment, for the price. Anyone who says different, either hasn't seen/used one, or is just trying to bad mouth Leon's efforts. I know a little bit about centrifuges, having worked ten years w/ lube oil purifiers, on board ocean going oil tankers. Leon is very knowledgeable and very willing to help.

As far as I'm concerned, collecting, using WVO is hard enough. We don't need to be spreading misinformation, which will only make things harder for everyone. Hydromagnt

I like leons Centrifuge. I sell them and use them. It works just fine.The price is competitive. If I thought it was crap it would not be on my site.

Hey y'all, I'm back!
Wow, it looks like I really hit a nerve with that post. Where do I start? The conclusions that some people jump to make me laugh... A few of you think I work for/with Simple Centrifuge, or that I was put up to this post by them; Johnny K thinks I own the centrifuge company... Here's how it is: I'm just a farmer. I have no political or financial interest in Simple Centrifuge or any other CF company. Leon, did I hurt your feelings? You say "bite me" and then call ME low class? Oh, you're funny, man. If you really over-delivered, wouldn't you not have to say so yourself? Hamlin205, ProfessorGT, Thomas Woods, dog, red in az, Johnny K... you're all mighty quick to stand up for Leon. And all on the same day! Wow, what amazing support! You know, the only reason I even posted anything here was because of the Topic... New Centrifuge to Market. I see all this praise for Leon and his CF... Am I not allowed to have a dissenting opinion? Sheesh, it's almost like I'm trying to speak out against Obama or something! Can your "opinion" really count if you have a vested interest in selling a particular CF? I don't think so. As I said, I'm not selling anything, nor am I paid to advertise, etc. I didn't make any personal attacks, but I did ask some questions and voice my opinion about oversees manufacturing. I feel very strongly about that issue, as it is something I see nearly every day, in one area or another. I'll do you all a favor and save the whole rant for a forum dedicated to the topic, if you wish. BTW, cast aluminum is NOT equal to extruded aluminum. Do some research. I don't need a degree in engineering to be able to appreciate when something is well made. Honestly, have you ever worked with farm equipment? I have, and there are very few countries outside of the US that I trust to manufacture implements. Most of them are in Europe. Cost and worth are not the same thing.
Johnny K... you're joking, right? If I called you a douche, would you threaten to sue me for that as well? Sue-happy mentality is another thing that has/is destroying our country. People like you who want to bring the scum of the earth, a.k.a lawyers, into everything, make me sick. May the seven seas not be enough for your enemas.
You all can just keep attacking me if you'd like; it provides me with a measure of amusement. I don't really care though. If I have said anything that is not a fact, opinions aside, then we can discuss it. I'm all in favor of the truth.
If Leon is really innovating, let's see it. Maybe I'm a little biased already. Who isn't? I'm a reasonable man. If the product could truly speak for itself, then I will allow it to do so. So far, however, I remain unimpressed.
Good luck to you.

So how much is the "new" model simple centrifuge. I actually purchased the Absolute after waiting months/years for the simple centrifuge to come out with a turn key model and then have the price be $2250. Which he then lowered to $1500 now he has a new model? How much is that one are we back to $2200 or is it $1500. or did the price go up to $2500 until someome else comes out with one for less then he will reduce the price. Just for the record that new one looks really cool!

I purchased one of Leon's centrifuges after waiting and waiting for Simple to produce a turn key product which they priced ridiculously high IMO. I put my money up to help Leon get his product to market at a reasonable price while it was still in the prototype stage. Was it perfect? No. Did Leon stand behind it and address issues that came up. Absolutely. I received upgraded parts without asking just because he was aware there was a problem and didn't wait for a complaint. As far as Leon and my dealings with WVO designs he has been nothing but first class to deal with. Is there anyone out there who believes that Simple would have lowered their price from $2250 to $1500 if it wasn't for WVO Designs bringing a reasonably priced competitive product to market?

..Well, here's another vote for Raw Power.
It's the CF I picked and has been spinning and cleaning for months now.

Miles on car since CF: about 5000
Filter bags consumed since CF purchase: none.
Hot pan test / crackle test bubbles: zero.
In-car 10 micron absolute filter replacements since CF: zero.

Ready for an endorsement for a product?

"I like Leon's product, very happy with it."
- Scott McPhee, 2009


There you go!

I think the weather must be bad in south florida because I use a filter every 6 week if I drive a lot or drive a little must be the humidity. I am also constantly changing my set-up and it is usually one step backwards and two steps forward.

For example I finally got my four tank set-up working. (1) Large settling tank.(150 gallons) then it went into an old water heater tank(2) that dripped into the centrifuge. That went into a 55 gallon drum (3) then I had a ready to go tank (4) 300 gallons. The glory of this set-up was I could run the 55 gallon back into the waterheater for a second trip into the centrifuge. But the city said I could not have 300 gallon tanks at my house. I did not have my large truck anymore and I was not towing anymore I figured I did not need all of that. So I economized down to one 55 gallon drum the water heater and cubes and 5 gallon buckets.

I have been having problems with trying to filter without letting it settle for weeks. And I do not have a ready to go tank that has way more in it then I need like before. I actually lost a filter in a week. I think I need the four bucket system again but with The water heater and 55 gallon drums or 35 gallon would be even better. Maybe 3 buckets and have the ready to use drum be cubes instead.

When it is done right the grease sure does look good being poured in the tank after using the centrifuge.

I vote for Leon and RawPower. Leon has the best price and best service. I looked at all the CF's on the market and I'm very happy with my decision. RawPower has saved me hundreds of hours of work.

danalinscott states "Centrifuges are a good investment for those who use lots of wvo fuel..as in thousands of gallons or tens of thousands of gallons a year. But for most they are not a practical investment."

I completely disagree. If you are going to continue using WVO, I agree with Jondeer "a CF is the only way to go for cleaning oil". I just wish I hadn't wasted all my time with filter bags before I purchased a centrifuge.

Dana, do you have a centrifuge? I would never go back to filter bags and I rarely filter more than 30 gallons a week.

Jondeere, do you have a Rawpower or Simple CF? All centrifuges spin so I'm not sure what you mean by "Sit 'N Spin in comparison".

As far as buying American, I would agree with you if all other things are equal but all things aren't equal. Just about everything we buy in the country is made in another country or has foreign parts. We are competing globally and we need to start thinking globally. If the auto industry would have realized that in the 70's they would be in much better financial shape today.

I would rather pay a one time cost for a foreign product than a weekly cost to the Saudi's.

pete

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Dana, do you have a centrifuge?

YKinda....most of my early clients opted for industrial centrifuges.
I cannot justify the cost of a centrifuge at the low volumes I have to process.

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I would never go back to filter bags and I rarely filter more than 30 gallons a week.

Well that was a personal choice based on a lot of factors I suppose. But I doubt that practicality or ROI was on of the primary factors in making it.

I chose to quote Pete as I liked his response here.

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Originally posted by petecooke:
I vote for Leon and RawPower. Leon has the best price and best service. I looked at all the CF's on the market and I'm very happy with my decision. RawPower has saved me hundreds of hours of work.

There seems to be a fair amount of support for Leon and it seems like he has done the right thing with follow up. That is commendable. I think it best to put your statement in context by saying "the use of a CENTRIFUGE has saved me time and money" ....and you are pleased with the unit you have chosen.

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danalinscott states "Centrifuges are a good investment for those who use lots of wvo fuel..as in thousands of gallons or tens of thousands of gallons a year. But for most they are not a practical investment."

I completely disagree. If you are going to continue using WVO, I agree with Jondeer "a CF is the only way to go for cleaning oil". I just wish I hadn't wasted all my time with filter bags before I purchased a centrifuge.

I have to agree here. I am on board with most of Dana's theory, but I am SOLD on the use of the centrifuge for filtration. I went this route based on the trial and errors of "SunWizard". I spent a ton of $$ on filters and decided to buy the CF and not look back. I use a washable filter to "prefilter" my oil prior to settling and finally through the CF system. I some times only process 100 or so gallons in a month. Sometimes I process several hundred in a week. The bottom line is, I use little or no replacement filters.

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Jondeere, do you have a Rawpower or Simple CF? All centrifuges spin so I'm not sure what you mean by "Sit 'N Spin in comparison".

Clearly he has a Simple Centrifuge if I may make an assumption here. I also believe that the "sit n spin" comment is in direct alignment with the statement about casting vs. extrusion and quality farm implements. User JonDeere is stating that even for the discount price, he prefers to pay more for a product that he feels is better designed. I can agree.

I have ZERO experience with the Rawpower CF. I can tell you that early on when I was researching alternative solutions for filtration, I did not have the time or patience to go the Simple CF route. I also asked when a turn key solution would be available and did not get a response. I followed SunWizard's plan closely and have a similar but more refined system.

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As far as buying American, I would agree with you if all other things are equal but all things aren't equal. Just about everything we buy in the country is made in another country or has foreign parts. We are competing globally and we need to start thinking globally. If the auto industry would have realized that in the 70's they would be in much better financial shape today.

This is very true, and I would also like to add that american companies trading abroad are bringing money back to the US. We can not make everything on our own. We HAVE to compete in the global market and closing our minds and saying "buy american" is going to get us no-where. I have 2 new vehicles in my driveway, BOTH are american. A Ford and a Chevrolet, I sold my dodge not long ago. They both have many parts from other continents. I have 2 other vehicles I purchased USED. They are foreign built. This is because the US hasnt had a diesel powered car that is worth a damn. Many of the parts I purchase for these vehicles provide jobs in the US from the men at the port all the way to the nice person at the parts counter. Many of the parts for my Chevrolet and Ford come in on the same ship.

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I would rather pay a one time cost for a foreign product than a weekly cost to the Saudi's.

Amen to that !



PS. Why do you guys get so keyed up with a little opposing view discussion. I dont think the comments of JonDeere were offensive in any way. Sure there are better ways to express your self, but its not like he peed on anyone's banquet or buffet table. The posts made after his, I think are far worse. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Leon, it would have been best to invite JonDeere to appreciate the value of your product rather than incite a riot and saying "bite me". Calling JonDeere "low class" at that point is like the pot calling the kettle black so to speak. We are one member shy of a Monkey 'poo-slinging' problem.

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Originally posted by 240Volvo:
six of the last seven posters just joined. That is weird.

Indeed. It seems the lynch mob was summoned to grab their pitchforks.


TTFN. I'm off to film the cross burning....</sarcasm>

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Originally posted by Scott McPhee:
..Well, here's another vote for Raw Power.
It's the CF I picked and has been spinning and cleaning for months now.

Miles on car since CF: about 5000
Filter bags consumed since CF purchase: none.
Hot pan test / crackle test bubbles: zero.
In-car 10 micron absolute filter replacements since CF: zero.

Ready for an endorsement for a product?

"I like Leon's product, very happy with it."
- Scott McPhee, 2009


There you go!

Update: if you don't have a CF, yet, now is the time to buy, check out and notice the coupon offer... do yourself a favour and get the coupon.

http://wvodesigns.com/

Hey Scott,
I would like to know more about your centrifuge setup.
if you could email me I would appreciate it.
fryersam@verizon.net

86 sdl greasecar kit
81 wv pickup currently on diesel

Two cool videos of the bowl style centrifuge...

These are of a Raw Power Centrifuge, but I believe they could be generalized to all 3 of the bowl style centrifuges that've been discussed in this thread.

Video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1-9OEq6cUo

Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUhgKFV5Ri4

I did a bunch of tests with colored water to illustrate how they work.

Anyway, figured if a picture is worth a 1,000 words, then a video must be worth more, eh?

-Graydon
...who's now playing with Centrifuges...