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Originally posted by tcr1016:
Why will it not work??

Because from above:Thats a Carbonator motor, they need a special coupler, and a special type of pump with no shaft and the same kind of slot.

what are you using to heat your oil right before in enters the CF? i saw you said water heater elements. but what are those and where can i get them?

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Originally posted by cambro5:
what are you using to heat your oil right before in enters the CF? i saw you said water heater elements. but what are those and where can i get them?

See the summary top of page 1. Get them at Home depot or any hardware store, plumbing dept. Or you can just buy 2 bucket heaters and drop them in your barrel if you don't understand wiring:
http://www.petvetsupply.com/equmali001.html

or 2 of these zerostart block heaters:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZERO-START-1000W-BLOCK-H...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

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Originally posted by Sam Crowe:
I'm thinking of taking about a ml of scrapings from the last CF cleaning, mixing it with clean Amsoil and sending it to Blackstone.

My Blackstone Labs report came in regarding the centrifuge contents. Because there is a lot we don’t know, (like even if these would get into your engine oil and at what ratio to the total, how much would be removed with a final filter etc), what we can learn from this is limited. Also, I’ll address my comments below as though the vegoil I get from 4 restaurants is representative of others. This may or may not be true, and related to the foods they cook. Please remember; first, the comparison in numbers is almost hap hazard, since ratio of compound to engine has no mathematical basis, yet we can start to form some idea with the relation to each other and that of the standard. Those that are multiples out of norm may have much more value. Second, my comments are subjective and open for discussion or questioning. After I run more samples through the same tests we’ll have more to go on.

With that said, this might be a foundation to understand what the centrifuge removes at what rate. Or, what is in your vegoil fuel. What happens to it, if it gets burned, blown out the tail pipe, or ends up in your engine oil is still an open question.

Here is data I saw if interest and Blackstone’s universal averages. The sample I sent in was 1 ml of centrifuge contents mixed into 100 ml of Amsoil 5w-40. The contents was taken out of a clean centrifuge after it had run between hour 24 and 48. It turned the Amsoil black, just about the same or even slightly lighter color as used engine oil. So, anything less than running for 24 hours would have this going to at least your filter for every 80 gallons of vegoil used.

Chromium was zero (Chromium in my engine oil was 2), 1-2 is normal. I don’t know what wear location this would indicate in an engine, but not found in a wearing centrifuge.

As I would expect, Iron was high at 31. The universal average is figured from 17 to 25. But, since I would not expect any iron in unused Amsoil, 31 is very high.

Lead was low, thankfully food doesn’t have a lot of lead.

Tin was zero. A wearing engine usually has a value of 1 or more.

Titanium was 1… universal average and what I’ve seen in engines was zero…strange.

Potassium, from an engine it should be less than 5, it was 53 in the centrifuge sample. Understandable from food, but have to wonder what the effect on an engine,if any??

Silicon was 18 in the centrifuge contents, less than 10 in engine oil. Maybe they need to wash the spinach better?

Sodium in the centrifuge was 46, an engine would be less than 10. If this is from salt it is worth noting that I wash the oil prior to centrifuge.

Calcium, magnesium, phosphorus were low.

Insolubles percent was at .9, in an engine oil it should be less than .8 according to the universal average. Insolubles could be polymerized oil. My engine oil sample was .3. But, remember I run my centrifuge for 48 hours and I don’t know how much of the insolubles would be removed with my filter between the centrifuge tank and the truck tank. Not to mention I'd expect polymerized oil to be burned in the engine, at least one example where comparing oil used for fuel with engine oil isn't an apples to apples comparison.

One thing I know we can be happy with, the centrifuge contents had zero water.

In the future I need to run samples of the same batch of oil at different points along the way. I thought I’d run a sample out of what I have spinning right now, but it I’ve already cleaned out the centrifuge after 32 hours running, so I’ve lost that sample. Also, I need to do a sample after centrifuging after a 1 micron absolute filter.

In the big picture, in case you’re wondering what the value of all this is <g>. If in the bottomline, your engine can run on vegoil with all that crud passing through your injectors, and go 100k what difference does it make? Maybe none, depending on the engine type, age, cost of replacement etc. On the other hand, questions remain on some of the engine failures, in particular TDI’s. And the German standard is to run unused oil vegoil in the engine. Certainly knowing what you’re putting into your engine using WVO and what you can remove with your DieselCraft has value.

For what’s it’s worth, my Powerstroke turned over 50k on vegoil, and runs perfect.

Sam

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Originally posted by Sam Crowe:
I've 'washed' the black goop a second time, I'm going to let it air dry before doing anything else. And since I'll be on the road for a couple days it will have time.
Sam

Just to update this. If you recall I used turpentine for the solvent, and after all these days it isn't completely dry. So...results still pending.

Sam

Hi Sam, thanks for following up with the Blackstone report. I am sure it is bugging you as much as it is bugging me where this iron is coming from. I do not seem to have this problem. The next batch I run I will torch it and see if I find some. Prior untorched black goop diluted in biodiesel showed no signs of iron on a very strong magnet.

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Unit components come from non-usa sources. Parts are inspeced, assembled and painted here.

Warrenty is 24 months no questions asked exchange. Engineering expect them to run for a minumum of 10,000 hours.

Above was from Mr Dieselcraft. Anyone know where the parts come from? My OC-20 has engraved serial numbers as well as balance weights welded on and alignment marks for rotor and base, which the Filterfuge do not have. The Dieselcraft quality, fit and finish is way above the FF-60 LE that I had to return to IDP due to excessive bearing clearance (slop). In this case you do get what you pay for?

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Originally posted by canolafunola:
Hi Sam, thanks for following up with the Blackstone report.

Hi Canola,

I just got an email from Blackstone and they are interested in these tests and are going to start running particle count and size on the samples.

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I am sure it is bugging you as much as it is bugging me where this iron is coming from. I do not seem to have this problem. The next batch I run I will torch it and see if I find some.

Yes, thank you, I'd like to know how others people oil look on toast <g>. I should pick up samples from some of my travels, I've been in CO, NM and TX the last week.

Sam

Here's some history on the lube oil type centrifuges:

Many years ago, Glacier Metal Company,
a manufacturer of plain bearings,
identified a benefit in providing engine
customers cleaner oil by using a
centrifuge powered with a small fraction
of the lube flow in the engine. Engineers
at Glacier knew that since all engine lube
circuits pump more oil at rated speeds
than the bearings actually need, a
pressure-powered centrifuge would be a
safe accessory to add. When someone
thought to use the reaction turbine principle for powering the unit, a new product was born.
The concept behind the reaction turbine was historically identified with Hero of Alexandria
(circa AD 62), who used steam escaping from opposing jets to turn a spherical turbine. It
was this approach that Glacier used in its pressure-powered centrifuge.
(see http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/feb04/features/prachero/prachero.html
Soon thereafter, the centrifuge sales
effort began:
• Throughout the world, Glacier sales
efforts focused on engine customers
already buying bearings.
• In the U.S, the master distributor Weatherhead brought the centrifuge to the aftermarket,
and focused sales to on-road trucks; they re-sold the product through an extensive network of
sub-distributors.
• During 1969, T. F. Hudgins, Inc. acquired the distributor selling the Glacier centrifuge in
Texas. The centrifuge was marketed through Hudgin’s Autocator Divison, which built
control panels for heavy-duty equipment and engines.
• By 1978, T.F. Hudgins had so impressed Glacier Metal Company with effective sales to
gulf coast pipelines and to oil & gas drilling contractors, they were appointed the marketing
agent for both Fleet and Industrial sales across North America.
• 1982 brought the newly minted product name, Spinner II Oil Cleaning Centrifuge, to the
market; this new name and new design added the patented Level Control Base, allowing the
simple gravity-drain centrifuge design from Glacier to be practically installed on truck
engines.
• In 1997 Federal Mogul, a U.S. bearings and
automotive company purchased UK assets that
included Glacier; at this point, Glacier Filter
Systems Division, which produces the Spinner
II Centrifuge for Hudgins was separated from
the bearing operations.
• In June of 1998, Devon Industries (http://www.DevonIndustries.com) was appointed
Spinner II Oil Cleaning Centrifuge distributor to Oil & Gas Drilling Contractors world-wide,
recognizing their special capability to package systems for engines of all power classes.
• July-2000: Federal Mogul sold the Glacier Filter Systems
Division to Mann+Hummel, a world-renowned filter company in
Germany; Mann have retained T. F. Hudgins, Inc. for the sale and
distribution of the pressure-powered centrifuge in North America,
which is still marketed under the Spinner II trademark.

I'm new to your discussion but have been following it for some time. Do any of you heat SVO with Natural Gas???

We have Free Gas here on the farm and I am trying to figure how to utilize it without being dangerous.

I plan to start with oil being filtered into a 300gal vessel with rounded bottom with bottom drain, then filtered into another, both heated of course, and then filtered into a heated vessel with a CF......Any Suggestions: ie Open Top or Partially open etc.??????

Thanks,
Marshall

Must be nice to have free natural gas.
I would have generators lighting up the whole farm, heaters, car and truck and who knows what else.

I heat the house and two shops with it

Guys, if I set myself up with a dieselcraft or spinnerII centrifuge, how do I go about selecting the pump?

In particular, I already have a motor and bronze gear pump combo. If that turns out to pump US 2 gallons a minute, will it be suitable? Is there anything else I need to take into account purely from the point of view of getting the right flow rate and pressure?

Paul

Plug it in and measure what it will do as far as gpm's if it is around 2 you will be good to go, then you just need a ball valve or adjustable pressure relief valve to make sure you dont over pressure the fuge.

Cool Thanks Fab

If you measure open flow, it will need to be more by about 50% than the flow the CF needs at 90psi. And the GPM depends on which CF model. You also need a good oil filled pressure guage so you can set your pressure.

Hi Marshall, I intend to heat with WVO while centrifuging, hopefully soon. I think I will use a copper coil in the flame (like a tankless hot water heater), rather than heat the drum.

I'd be interested to hear how you process the waste into gas.

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Originally posted by Marshall:
I'm new to your discussion but have been following it for some time. Do any of you heat SVO with Natural Gas???

We have Free Gas here on the farm and I am trying to figure how to utilize it without being dangerous.

I plan to start with oil being filtered into a 300gal vessel with rounded bottom with bottom drain, then filtered into another, both heated of course, and then filtered into a heated vessel with a CF......Any Suggestions: ie Open Top or Partially open etc.??????

Thanks,
Marshall

I think you misunderstood, I don't process waste into gas. We have a Gas Well on the property that we are alloted Free gas from.

I hoped to use it to heat my SVO for processing but the more I think about it the more I think I should use Electric Heating Elements for now. Later if this all works out then maybe turn to some sort of Heat Exchanger as mentioned above.

What is the best temp to dewater when using the CF. I see 140 then I see 200. What is the most successful???

160F, anything hotter may damage your pump and consumes far more energy.