Hi all, I've been spinning ideas around about how to build an in-line dewatering device. My goal is to have the entire wvo system be a srteamlined in vehicle operation.

In order to do so there should be a dewatering device that can work inside the fuel system. One idea I've had is to run high voltage through the oil. Do you all think that would turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen?

The voltage would cause the glycerin to separate as well. What do you think the effect running WVO w/ out glycerin would be?

thanks,
dan g.

High voltage would do nothing to VO, its a very good insulator.

There is no glycerin in WVO, glycerin is Byproduct / wasteproduct of BD production not a component of the original WVO.

SteveW
-Are you sure seems to me that wvo will contain mono, di and tryglicerids as well as ffa's Tom

Not sure personaly, just passing on what I saw here
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/ev...1014871/m/6191024762
and here
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/ev...59605551/m/360100298
and in other threads,
hope I am not misleading anyone or being misled myself.

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Originally posted by dglads.pvd:
Hi all, I've been spinning ideas around about how to build an in-line dewatering device. My goal is to have the entire wvo system be a srteamlined in vehicle operation.

In order to do so there should be a dewatering device that can work inside the fuel system. One idea I've had is to run high voltage through the oil. Do you all think that would turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen?

The voltage would cause the glycerin to separate as well. What do you think the effect running WVO w/ out glycerin would be?

thanks,
dan g.

sounds like voo doo to me.

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Originally posted by dglads.pvd:
What do you think the effect running WVO w/ out glycerin would be?

thanks,
dan g.

the biodiesel effect

jg
-is glycerin not the backbone that holds the the fatty acids that make up the vo molicule? thats the way I understand it. caustic strips the fa's and releases the glycerin which collects in the byproduct. Tom

To say there is or is not glycerin in oil is a semantics game. The glycerin backbone is there, bonded to one or more fatty acid chain. True, no free glycerin. True, the chemical structure is still there.

High voltage doesn't split or break-up the triglyceride molecules - it sorts the pre-split molecules, attracting the free glycerin and repelling everything else.

Cheers,
JohnO

Do a web search for "MIT Plasmatron". MIT has developed a small on-board device that uses high voltage to create a plasma flame in an oxygen free reaction, the plasma flame is used to convert the liquid hydrocarbon into its base gasious components. I have not read anything about them using veg as the fuel but much info about using gasoline or diesel.

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To say there is or is not glycerin in oil is a semantics game. The glycerin backbone is there, bonded to one or more fatty acid chain. True, no free glycerin. True, the chemical structure is still there.

Not semantics at all.

Glycerine is a specific molecule. It does not exist in VO but can be created FROM it by subjecting it to a particular chemical reaction. This is what occurrs in the transesterifican process. I have seen no evidence this occurrs in the combustion process.

Look at it this way.
Water has oxygen and hydrogen in it. But it acts like neither.

You CAN create both oxygen and hydrogen from water by subjecting it to a specific process.
So the "potential" oxygen and hydrogen is there..but the actual substances are not.

But back to the original question.

I have seen only one truely inline dewatering unit which insures that wvo has less than 500ppm of water after passing through.
It appears to work well but is not currently available to the public.

I suspect that it will not be available for several years..if ever.
I have encouraged the developer to make it available on a limited basis (beta) but he is skeptical that he can do so without someone "stealing" the work he has put in on it so far and claiming it as thier own.